Convulsions of hunted animals information request

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  1. JLA

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    I disagree jindy. Jack told you he would fill you in when he got back. Youve inflamed the conversation with a list of demands, which is fine and you were rather polite with them from what I read, just rather pushy.. But have a little patience. Jack brought Doc Tom here to see if the avid hunters here at TFF could help his research. So if you wish to help his cause then by all means please do, if not, then please allow us to keep things geared toward progressing his research, not arguing over the whos who and whats what of the matter.
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    never mind folks , sorry this got outta hand

    i should know to do exactly what my betters demand of me in the new order
    and do it within minutes of them demanding it too!! it dont matter that i tried to explain i did not have the info with me that i'd pass all i had along as soon as i could

    i forgot though , its not good enough and for that i am sorry , i must remember that the elite types can demand the impossible and ridicule you when you cant do it and you cant say boo back otherwise they'll start ringing round trying to get you into strife

    but i just never get it eh

    thick is me , just thick

    i must learn to bow to my betters

    so sorry
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    By the way, how can the grass eating horse get the botulism?
    And what were the symptoms?
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    Is this thread still open?
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    yes and a pressy for you ( sorry for the delay the big hunting season has just opened and got folks in the field now)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEwG8Khg6_s&feature=related

    this footage is from last years cull in the NT ..

    0.20 the donkey in front , full frontal lobe blown away , but the movements..

    contact the gent who posted this , he's on a donkey and camel cull now ..

    he's happy to send you the unedited ... but not to post it , you can see the comments he gets from the edited version
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    and sorry for the slagging you got from some of the aussie forums the same names posting every where , all experts and know your a spy for greenpeace in melbourne ..

    seems i'm a yank now , a dumb one too and i wonder why they have a hard time keeping members up

    s'ok the same folks all publicly declared i was poaching some farmers deer the first time i posted a hunt shot to prove there where wild deer here .. but let's not mention that eh ...

    same folks now try to control deer hunting and other forms of "our" sport .. they are good at flip flopping ..

    sheeesh

    Doc hope this helps you help sick folks .. good luck eh ,
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    Re: Convulsions of hunted animals

    Yes, the spine has its own "logic". It is not just the 'wires' from the head to the muscles. I am not sure if I can explain in English correctly, because it's not my native language.

    These spinal centers are responsible for many reflexes. When the child touches the hot radiator, it moves the finger away much earlier before it notices the pain. It is called spinal arc.

    These spinal arcs may be used for diagnostic also. The knee reflex you may know from an neurology examination is such example.

    When the doctor hits your knee with a rubber hammer, you'll kick.
    When you'll try to do that to someone, who has cerebral palsey for example, he will react much stronger.
    It is because the reflex is located in the spine, but the brain can calm it down. Wit the brain motion centers damaged, the calming is weak or missing, so the reflex is stronger.
    When you'll try to do that to someone, who has spine injury, you'll see no reflex probably.
    When you'll try to do that to the animal with bullet in the brain, it will kick again and again, because no brain response... until it will fade.
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    By the way, the brain-dead animal can continue to breath and heartbeat till the nerves will die.

    There is "emergency" center for the the heart control and automatic breath. It is located where the spine leaves the brain. it controls the heart and the breath during the deep anesthesia for example.
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    Was that Ted Nuggent behind the rifle?
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    I don't know him personally. He provided me one video only.
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    I had an experience with the female roe deer killed by car. It had her head crushed completelly an the convulsions were visible for about 6 mins, as JLA describes.

    Jack,is there the horse or donkey culling season in Australia currently?
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    I aint had to put any animals down in many months thank god. But, Im glad your research continues doc.
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    Vet said it was probably from bad hay. Dont know for sure.

    Symptoms were stiffness and excessive slobbering, confusion, hyperventilating, uncontrollable defacation and urination, almost like his body was disconnected from his brain. My initial thought was hydrophobe (rabies), but the Vet ruled that out with a blood sample.

    Behavior went on for 4 days before I put him down.
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    I have always heard it can be caused by moldy hay wont bother cows much but is bad for horses
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