Custom Mannlicher Shoenauer ID!

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by dleondeperal, Nov 24, 2010.

  1. dleondeperal

    dleondeperal New Member

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    I need some help IDing this M.S. i inherited from my father please!(model, year,value) Here is some info I gathered:

    Caliber 30-06
    Double Trigger, full stock
    Made: Daimler-Puch-Steyr
    No. 58839
    Custom engraved (signed F in the base plate)
    Original Kahles Wien Scope
    Very little or no hunting use.

    I am attaching some pics, thanks for the help!

    Diego

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  2. 22shot

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    I believe you have a Model 1956 Carbine; 22 inch barrel. I think the recoil pad was added by the owner; based on my research.
    The placement of the rear sight sets it appart from later models; the high comb improved walnut stock was added after the Model 1903;1906;1950 and 1952 Carbines.
    Yours was introduced in 1956; dropped in 1960.
    The engraving is superb; and sets it appart from a standard Model 1956.

    The value in 1981 dollars was $525; the engraving would shoot that up. Way up.
    (3rd. edition of Modern Gun Values)

    and then there is the scope...

    I suggest you check out auction sites to get a true feel of the worth of this gun.

    It's a gem.

    Welcome to the site; dleondeperal !
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  3. 3/2 STA SS

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    DO NOT GIVE IT AWAY...beauty of a rifle....
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    RJay Well-Known Member

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    Please be advised and take the appropriate precautions, There are those on this board ( myself ) that would kill you for that rifle.:)
  5. dleondeperal

    dleondeperal New Member

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    Thanks Guys for the info! I trully didn´t know what I had until I started doing some research on the web and apparently there is a cult for these rifles... It is indeed beautifull. I will probably never sell but just for curiosity´s sake any idea on how much it can be worth? It is trully in mint condition with very little use...

    Diego
  6. dleondeperal

    dleondeperal New Member

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    Here is another detail of the custom engraving with my father´s initials on it...

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    308 at my gate New Member

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    That is very nice and thanks for showing the great pictures of it.
  8. 22shot

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    I have no idea of the " worth" of this rifle; but I would pay $1200 for it (no BS); and I KNOW that is a "lowball" offer... I'd go a bit more if it wasn't for that recoil pad.

    Those initials on the trigger guard are gold inlay...

    And I'm not in the appraisal business; If I were: I'd charge you for it!
    Side note:
    That makers mark on the scope seems vaughly familiar; and it has to do with Liaca; THE 35MM camera (optics) of the 50's...

    Collector value is in the eye of the beholder.
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  9. armedandsafe

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    There ya go again! Now I have to clean the drooooooool out of my keyboard. :D

    Pops
  10. dleondeperal

    dleondeperal New Member

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    Thanks for the feedback guys, and the offer, but it is definately not for sale since it has more of a sentimental value to me....
  11. 22shot

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    Enjoy! :D
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  12. BullShoot

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    ///That makers mark on the scope seems vaughly familiar; and it has to do with Liaca; THE 35MM camera (optics) of the 50's...///

    Perhaps there is a connection with Leica but KAHLES of Vienna -''Wien''- is a prestigious scope manufacturer, still in existence and I believe they claim to be the world's oldest scope maker.

    BullShoot
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    Good eye; bullshoot !

    That confirms that even the scope is not "off the shelf"!
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  14. dleondeperal

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    One more question 22 shot.... If it is indeed a 1956 model, why does it have a straight (vs swept back) bolt as in earlier models? Also it has a tang safety on the back...

    thanks,

    diego
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    The straight (flat) bolt handles were used on the 1903; 1905; 1908; 1910; 1924;1950;and the 1961 models. The swept back appeared on the1952 model. Unfortunately, the limited reference books I have onlly illustrate the the left profile of the 1956; no reference is gived to the style of bolt handle. The 1961 illustration is of the right side; again showing a "flat" handle. The 1956 and the 1961 are virtually identical; the sole exception being a minor change in the configuration of "cheekpiece" on the stock.

    As to the tang safety; do you mean like those found on Mossberg pump shotguns?

    Yours should have a safety on the bolt; that you engage when the bolt is cocked; and that also prevents you from looking directly through the open sights.

    In fact; it does. In a photo above; it is shown directly behind the bolt realease on the reciever.

    I edited (added; clarified) this post after thinking about it overnight!
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  16. Contenderizer

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    I'll stick my neck out and suggest an auction value of $1,500-1,800. On a very good day perhaps $2,000.

    This gun was likely engraved at the factory and the initials added at the point-of-sale. Bolt handles can be of any style on custom guns. It all depended upon what the customer or imported wanted.
    I don't see a tang safety. The safety is on the rear of the bold where it should be.
    I can't give much value to the scope because, in this case, I believe it only detracts from the looks. I believe the gun would have more value with the original iron sights. Nevertheless, its a great gun.
  17. wonderwhippet

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    As a collector of these Mannlichers, I would value this rifle at $1800 without the engraving. The superb quality of the engraving brings the value up to about $3500. If you are interested in selling it, click on my name and send me an e-mail.
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  18. Contenderizer

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    Atta boy Wonder. Anybody that puts his wallet where his mouth is must know what he is talking about! I stand corrected.
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    dleondeperal New Member

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    This is the Safety I mentioned... Its missing the pushpiece but you can see where it is. Is this the regular safety system on these rifles?

    -Diego.

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    Boy; that is a new one on me!

    That is the tang; that is/was(?) a slide switch ( like the Mossberg as posted ) and I'm guessig it had/has something to do with the set trigger assy.
    Can't be more specific as it's not in my hands ( I wish!).

    The regular safety is on the bolt. It is that tab laying off to the left siide of the bolt. Cock the action ; and you can engage this safety by flipping it "vertical".

    To disengage without dryfire; flip the safety down; raise up the bolt handle and retract. Pull the fireing
    triggers back and hold.....close the bolt; as you are lowering the the handle back into posistion; you will feel the tension of the fireing pin spring being relieved. No dry fire or sharp "SNAP".

    contenderizer
    This gun does have the original sights!
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