do we as CCW had our heads up our arse?

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by hunter29180, Aug 3, 2012.

  1. ozo

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    Oh.....crap....my bad......
    I forgot to post this earlier.......
    Double D AKA Dan -the -Man........[and friend]
    For President of the United States 2012
    :) :) :)
    My kinda guy !!!!!
    P.S. Dan, you do have a birth certificate......don't you ??
    No prob.....holler if ya don't.
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    I was wondering about those shirts myself; if I'm concealing (and thanks to you guys here on TFF I no longer do except on fed installations) it's with an open button down shirt so it's just a quick brush outta the way and my weapon doesn't snag. My timer says I can do it in well under 2 seconds from beep to bang. If someone can shoot 20+ people spread accross a room in under 2 seconds, they deserve to kill me!

    The video itself is crap with opposite intentions, but what we can all agree on is that we can always use more practice no matter how good you think you are!

    don't give the bastards a chance, train hard
  3. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Yea! Imagine that.
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    "The video itself is crap with opposite intentions, but what we can all agree on is that we can always use more practice no matter how good you think you are! "--aa1911

    Yes, in a manner of speaking, I CAN agree with you........more practice is good.
    What I say is NOT to be SAID AS A SLAM to anyone....please don't mis-read me.

    This 'new' carry-a-weapon craze has caught on like wildfire, and the gun sales
    and the training classes,[ some with some very high price tags....] prove my
    theory that it is a craze.....for whatever reason one chooses to do so.
    For me, when I was young, hunting, shooting, carrying a revolver....etc...
    was a natural act, a part of life, a piece of growing up that just was......
    it just was.....and along with it came the responsibilities of being safe and
    MATURE......no matter WHAT age you were !
    That being said......for us that were NOT brought up that way......
    for those of us that were not ever in the military, for those of us that
    never had the 'basic training' so to speak, and now find ourselves in
    this 21st Century way-of-thinking of s**t could hit the fan, and see
    the need to arm oneself for personal/family reason in this nut-case
    demented sicko socialistic liberal environment we now call Amerika,
    I surely understand how it is easy for anyone 'new to the environment'
    of guns to possibly follow any or all things that appear to be 'truth'......
    on a forum, the internet, the news, and of course.........a friggin' VIDEO
    on youtube........IT MUST BE FACTUAL....!!!
    I mean no negativity towards anyone in any of my rant.......
    I am simply a realist, and only seek the truth in any endeavor I encounter.....
    Whatever you see, hear, heard, thought, etc....
    QUESTION IT !!!!!!!
    My advice.....USE YOUR BRAIN.......
    [my apologies for my rant......boB, DON'T scold me please]
  5. ozo

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    I did.....[imagine that]....
    Let me see....hmmmm......
    How far back [in Presidents] would I have to go
    to find a US President that would stand up to
    or compare to the morality and honesty of
    you, and have a love for the 2nd amendment
    and the people as you do......??????
    Hmmmm....how far back.....?
    NOWHERE CLOSE IN SIGHT my Brother......nowhere close in sight ! :cool:
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    as with any skill or tool.

    if you don't use it and are unfamiliar with it.. you will be less usefull with it.

    same deal.. hammer .. gun.. etc.
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    this is why practical training as often as possible is recommended.not just standing but all forms of training.I fire all positions at least once a month.I prepare for all types of scenarios.I build on my upper body strength to prepare and try to be as healthy as possible.All info out there is not good and relying on the state requirements are far from enough.I feel it is enough to get you killed or in prison.If you are serious about SD you should become a professional student and suck up every piece of info you can and invest in a reputable SD course.Its not rocket science but requires dedication to learning and practice to where it is 2nd nature.
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    well I did point out that everything was stacked in the BG's favor...but it was posted to show some glaring faults that are actually being taught in CCW classes today....the LONG t-shirt to conceal....only teaching to draw from a standing position...only teaching ONE type of holster...lots of things many of my favorite people here missed...I am disappointed in some of you!

    and yes I knew the vidio was anti-CCW! but why not use it as a training aid on what not to do??
  9. 76Highboy

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    I won't give this video one ounce of recognition. Once again the liberal media is taking something irrelavant and twisting it. IMO this scenario is unrealistic. First off, I will use my daughter as an example. She grew up hunting with her revolver and a single shot .22 rifle. She was taught one shot, one hit. That was drilled into her. Through her life she becamse used to holstering, drawing, shooting, and reloading. She loves it. Now put her in that scenario except take the criminal shooters knowledge of who has the gun away. I will tell you that my daughter would have an extremely good chance of killing the criminal. And then, because the criminal in the video knows the bullets are not real, he has no fear to make him begin jerking when the defensive individual returns fire and he also does not retreat.

    What this video fails to show is that criminals are cowards and they prey on the weak and more then often retreat at the threat of a gun. PERIOD!!!

    Once again this is a bogus video supported by a one sided opinionated media and I give it no airtime. I hate these liberal people and it is time that we stop and realize they are not doing us any favors.

    One last thought. How would this video be different if all the students were armed?

    Ignorant liberals, geeesh!!!:mad:
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    With all the talk of armed citizens being able to stop situations such as the last shooting, the media cant stand the thought of the gun world being right. They produce crap like this to prove to themselves and to their followers that gun owners really cant do anything to help the situation and really could cause more danger than good. It is the lefts view to cower down and run and not fight back. They put inexperienced people in a situation where the shooter knows exactly who has the gun in the classroom and therefore he goes right to that person every time. In a real situation, in all the confusion and scattering, the gunman wouldnt have a clue who was armed and who wasnt and if he did see a gun pulled out against him he would run for the door.
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    Ya, that's exactly right. The scenario should have had an inexperienced individual come in with a gun that had no knowledge of who was armed. The outcome would be different I'm sure. However, that is why they didn't do it that way I'm sure.
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    typical liberal propaganda
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    What would have happened if the trained cop was sitting in the classroom, and one of the enexperienced students was told to go into the class room and shoot as many as possible? In the real world the shooter is almost never proficent with the guns he is using. I said almost! Put a student in that class room, who is trained, and the whole thing gets turned around!
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    Yea, and even an untrained person would have a chance at taking the shooter out. For one thing, the shooter wouldnt know anyone in the room was armed. For a second thing, the shooter would take out the immediate threat in front of him, not the random person in the crowd. The person that is given the gun was set up to fail, plain and simple. It just would not likely have went down that way in a real life situation. And like was already said, what bad guy trains for this situation? None. His likelyhood of failure is very high. He wont be trained or proficient with a handgun and will most likely cower down and run for his life if met with resistance. While we dont know that for sure, its highly likely. I am sick and tired of these liberals and their sissy nature. What a bunch of whimps.
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    "I am sick and tired of these liberals and their sissy nature. What a bunch of whimps."--DD

    Dadgummit [paraphrased for the rating]
    Maybe the water supply should have been filled with Clorox
    instead of flouride a couple of generations ago.....
    how in the world do so many of these igmo-sapiens keep
    propagating.......
    The gene pool is nasty.....it stinks to high heaven.......
    POUR IN A TRIPLE DOSE OF CHEMICALS ASAP....!!
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    remember.. people that don't like guns are afraid of them and don't want us to own them.. even though we are usually protecting 'them'


    soundguy
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    Well said. I also pray- a lot. God bless ya partner.
    This was a reply with quote to skullfr's post near the beginning...
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    This vicious thing- I tell my wife all the time, if she's attacked, the gun doesn't stop the threat, she's gotta do things like scratch/puncture his eyeballs if she can. She cringes when I try and explain, but you and skullfr are so right. A woman (you know, anybody) has to be as brutal as the attacker, and really seriously try and push or gouge his eyeballs right out of his head, not just poke him like on of the 3 Stooges. Rape, severe beatings, death, these possibilities demand that kind of savage response.

    amd this was supposed to quote aaa1911's post, don't know why the 'quick reply to quote' didn't work
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    More people are armed.....that's why I think we should file class-action suits when things like the Batman movie shooting occur. If 3, 4, 5 people had been armed- even if they only saved one life- better than what happened. If a theater, restaurant, whatever says 'No Concealed Carry" then they are telling the BGs this is the place to rob. With everybody else suing for STUPID stuff, we should sue when these things happen. They intentionally endangered our lives, even use the 2nd Amendment saying they had no right to prevent me being armed.
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