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  1. BlackEagle

    BlackEagle Well-Known Member Supporting Member

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    Well...he put together that farce called "An Inconvenient Truth" and expected people to believe it...the creation of ficticious truth continues. He has to go to bat for his cronie.
  2. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

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    Who is Johnson? Never heard of the guy. Does Johnson have a first name? What party is running on? Has anyone else heard of this guy? Why should he have been included? How many delegates did he get? If he didn't get at least a quarter of them, why then should he get to play?
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    Would vote for Spongebob Squarepants before I would vote for Obama. God forbid and wash my mouth out with soap but Obama makes Hillary Clinton look good.
  4. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

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    I never in a million years would have thought, I really miss Clinton. All that sac of crap wanted to do was screw women. Obama wants to screw the nation. I miss Clinton:mad:
  5. Old Grump

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    Of course you have not heard of him if all you follow is the mainstream media chosen candidates. It may astonish you to discover there are more than two political parties in this country and some of them actually believe in and support the constitution as written. Time to crawl out from under the rock and look around., It will amaze you at the things you can see without the media mandated blinders on your head.

    http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/about

    http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/issues

    My comment was written as is for those of us on the forum who really do follow the race, the issues and the candidates. If anybody hasn't heard about Johnson by now its because they don't give a tinkers dam about who is running or what they stand for unless it's on their local news. The news people cover the candidates that spend money on TV ads and that is their qualification for office.
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    Because he's been getting away with it for years, and gotten rich doing it! The biggest problem the US faces today is an utterly corrupt press.
  7. mjpchief

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    Whoever Johnson is he doesn't stand a chance of getting elected and you know it. A vote for Johnson will be a vote to put dipwad back in office. Proven fact. Remember the other big eared wonder.
  8. CampingJosh

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    WRONG!!

    Gary Johnson is a Libertarian, not a Reform Party candidate. The Reform Party was another conservative party like the Republican Party. They stole voters almost exclusively from the Republicans.

    The Libertarian Party focuses on freedom. Their focus on personal freedoms (legalized drug use, marry whoever you want, etc.) draws as many from the Democrats as their focus on economic freedoms draws from the Republicans.

    On a only-slightly-related note:

    We seem to have a lot of members here complaining that conservative people would vote for anything other than the big government Republican Party, but nobody seems to be trying to steal voters away from the Democratic Party.

    Perhaps the Republican Party's best bet for consistent election success would be to make sure a candidate with a humorous name (something like "Ironman Schlong") were listed on the ballot as a candidate for the "Free Weed and Beer Party" in all the swing states. No one who would vote Republican would vote for something stupid like that, but I can definitely see three or four percent of Democrat voters marking that name on their ballots. And in a lot of states, that would be all the difference.
    No campaigning necessary; just get the requisite signatures to put that on the ballot and let the idiots waste their votes. ;)
  9. Old Grump

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    Democrats still have lip service support from all the young voters who put them in office but those voters feel disenfranchised when they don't see the changes they were promised. Example is support for Obama has gone up in the Hispanic bloc but voter excitement which relates to how many will actually go vote for him is not there. The Democratic powers shot themselves in their foot and took away their own supporters by putting a unqualified lightweight in office. He never had a chance to follow through on his promises not because of opposition but because he is unqualified for the office, is not an executive and is not a leader.

    Bow to Arabian dictators, hug the queen and give her a cop[y of his speeches, apologizes to every leader who would allow him in their country for everything this nation has done or been perceived to have done by the liberal weeping willies for the last 200+ years. This is a world leader???

    Point - Nobel Peace prize awarded him not because he earned it but because he ran on the typical Democratic anti-war platform and then did not follow through. There was a surge not a pull back and Gitmo is still running and he is trying to push the laws so more people can qualify as terrorists. People like a lot of us on this forum, Christians, Gun owners and 2 A supporters, Conservatives, and last but certainly not least us men and women who are veterans, all of us bad medicine in his book.

    He needs to go but the people that put him there need to go even worse and that means most of the liberal Democrats and l;liberal to moderate Republicans. A 10% change over in congress would really help but a 25-40% change over would be a flipping miracle and we really could use a miracle.
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    It would take more than a miracle to get the dead air out of Congress. We simply keep replacing garbage with more garbage. I'm far more concerned with who sits in Congress than I am with who lives in the White House because a proper Congress would restrain a POTUS who has delusions of grandeur instead of kissing up to him as in the case of Obozo.
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  12. Appliancedude

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    I don't suppose you have figured out yet that if they don't buy adds people won't know who they are have ya? Except from YOU, I've never heard of the guy. Why should I vote for him? He sure as hell hasn't told me. I don't consider myself a Libertarian, so why in the flying F word would I go to his site. Appeal to me. Please for the love of all things holy, appeal to me. Tell me how he is letting us know he's running. because I've seen nothing from him.

    And for the record, I don't watch the news, local or otherwise. I get my info off the net. From multiple sources because I don't trust just one. AND I"VE NEVER SEEN HIS NAME EXCEPT HERE FROM YOU.

    I also didn't know that the whale (AKA Rosanne Barr) was running either. Now thats a candidate I think we should support. maybe she can siphon off enough of the nuts on the left who think a 3rd party can win. Lord knows we have enough of them on the right:rolleyes: maybe it will save us from another 4 of Obama:rolleyes:
  13. Old Grump

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    So you are saying you are comfortable with your head in the sand and IF you vote you will vote for whoever they tell you to vote for because you have no idea about anything that is going on in our government or that there are people out there trying to make it better.

    In other words you are part of the apathetic majority in this country who are the problem because working for a solution takes to much time and energy.
  14. Appliancedude

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    Don't put words in my mouth. I do not believe in legalizing drugs or gay marriage! Which are beliefs of the libertarian party. SO WHY THE HELL WOULD I EVEN LOOK AT THERE SITE. And since there is no Conservative party in Cali.

    So lets see I can vote for

    Barack Obama - Democrat um NO for reasons that should be obvious even to you.

    Thomas Hoefling - American Independent I would love to vote for the AI candidate. I strongly agree with the majority of their positions. And I would vote for him in any other year. However I refuse to be a party to helping Obama win a second term

    Jill Stein - Green party. Don't believe in global warming

    Gary Johnson - Libertarian. Since I do not believe in gay marriage or legalizing drugs, both libertarian stances I will not vote for a libertarian. Sorry.

    Roseanne Barr - Peace and Freedom. Do I even have to justify why she's not getting my vote?

    Mitt Romney - Republican Better than the other choices (except Hoefling) and the best bet at removing the traitor from the oval office.
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  15. Ledslnger

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    I won't vote for Romney because we will have millions of guys named Patel running our garbage trucks, being our police, paving our roads, and only God knows what else. Romney sent every job he could overseas and I think his next big plan is to bring the overseas workers here to take even more of our jobs. Wouldn't shock me in the least. It would help him capitalize and make more than $20 MIL a year.
  16. Old Grump

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    Libertarians are the third biggest party in the US and have more people in public office than any other 3rd party. Their performance at local levels has been rated pretty good and they have a decent reelection record. No wild eyed anarchists in office, the fringe members do most of their talking on the net or in college dorms where their parents pay their bills and they rail against the system. Those are not Libertarians.

    Either you support people who are 100% behind the Constitution or you support people who only believe in it if it does not interfere with their political aspirations. Your choice. Until they get enough votes from supporters to make the powers in office pay attention they will continue to be invisible to most people. Most of what you are objecting to are the same tired arguments parroted by people who have never studied the political philosophy of the Libertarian party.
  17. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

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    So what you are saying, through all your political BS about how the 2 big parties are to blame for everything is I should scrap MY principles and support the 3rd largest party:rolleyes:

    Do you even know what your party stands for. I'm so sick of you cycnical BS. You don't know me or what I've studied.

    From the Libertarian site
    Basically boils down to a support of the right to marriage. Yep just parroting from me. Oh wait no its from your partys site:rolleyes:
    http://www.lp.org/news/press-releases/libertarians-applaud-steps-toward-marriage-equality

    I don't know what Johnson's personal beliefs are but I DO KNOW what the libertarian party position is, even if you don't.
    The problem with gay marriage is they continue to incorporate into their marriage bill that the church must accept their marriage. And refusing to perform a gay marriage could bring a lawsuit on the church. That infringes on my rights as a church member. I will not support such a bill ever. While I do appreciate that they want to put it to the states, they still support it.

    Now drugs
    Again from the LP web site.

    Am I still parroting or did you not know that your party supports the legalization of drugs. I'd suggest you study your party a little bit better if you want to run your fingers.

    http://www.lp.org/news/press-releas...k-censorship-of-its-marijuana-legalization-ad

    Here is another from yet again the LP site
    http://www.lp.org/blogs/staff/gallup-50-of-americans-want-to-legalize-marijuana Um those said legalize not decriminalize. You do know the difference right?:rolleyes: Cause I'm pretty sure I do.

    Yea I just parrot:rolleyes:

    I DON"T SUPPORT GAY MARRIAGE OR THE LEGALIZATION OF DRUGS. I WILL NOT VOTE FOR A LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE AS LONG AS THIS IS THE STANCE OF THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY.

    By the way, just as a personal note of interest. This will be the last election I will vote in as a Republican. Come the first of the year I will be a member of the American Independent Party
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    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

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    Whatever. As long as you can look yourself in the mirror the morning after Obama is reelected, then vote for whoever the hell you want. Now I know why DD is so cynical about libs. I'm beginning to understand we have those on the right that aren't worth the time to deal with either.
  19. CampingJosh

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    I don't support gay marriage either. I think it's deplorable.
    But God gave us freedom. He allows us to live our own lives as we choose, even if we choose deplorable sin.

    Having the government recognize homosexual marriage doesn't make homosexual marriage any more moral or "right"; it's simply the government admitting that it exists. And it does exist, whether our governments recognize it or not. It existed before it was ever legal here, and it will continue for as long as sinful people exist.

    And there are two good arguments for removing criminal penalties for drugs. First, it's your own life and your own body; if you aren't allowed to control those, you are a slave.
    The second argument is based more on realism than on principle. It's not an argument that drug use is good or right. It's simply an assessment that the so-called "War on Drugs" has been more destructive to our society than the drugs ever were before they were banned. The War on Drugs has been the steroid to the development of a police state, and it is the cause for the total destruction of family structure in several minority groups.
    I do support the decriminalization of illicit drugs, but I won't use them if they are made legal. Not my thing.

    I am a libertarian (the lower-case "L" there was intentional, as I am not a supporter of the Libertarian Party). I believe that people are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, including liberty. People are free to reject God, and it's horrible, but if He gave them that freedom, it's not my role to use the force of government to strip that from them.
  20. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

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    I don't give a good God damn whether the government recognizes gay marriage or not. What I care about is forcing the church to accept it. Which IS the agenda. That infringes on MY rights.

    As far as drugs go, legalizing it and then realizing oops that was stupid will lead to another prohibition if we then try to make it illegal again. My stance is don't make any more laws that we aren't going to enforce anyways. I don't believe it should be legal. I think it will lead to more problems than you realize. And I don't get how the war on drugs ruined the family structure. I would argue just using them ruined the family structure. Its hard to be a parent when your stoned. Don't ya think:rolleyes:

    I appreciate that you consider yourself a libertarian. To the extent that I believe in states rights rather than federal rights I am too. However I consider myself a conservative over everything. But Old Grump is advocating the Libertarian Party. As I do not advocate the legalization:rolleyes: of drugs I will not support their party.
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