Family Heirloom. Any idea what gun?

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by losttyper, May 17, 2012.

  1. losttyper

    losttyper New Member

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    I'm not a very avid gun collector or hobbyist, so hopefully you guys can help me out.

    Well, I was digging around at my old folks place and I found this. Supposedly, the story is that it was passed down a few generations in the Philippines. Not sure how true the family story is, but I ended up with it here in the States.

    Any ideas what it is? And of course, how much does it cost?

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  2. Iron Eagle

    Iron Eagle Well-Known Member

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    Those are the only markings?
  3. losttyper

    losttyper New Member

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    There are numbers at the handle and on the trigger mechanism.
  4. jack404

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    errrr....
  5. Shooter45

    Shooter45 *Administrator* Staff Member

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    Are we supposed to guess the serial number or do you think we could help you better if you posted them???
  6. losttyper

    losttyper New Member

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    hard to read it out but the numbers are 60085 both on the handle and trigger mech
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    That's a Colt Peacemaker. What happened to my [other] post??
  8. losttyper

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    Any idea on how much this is worth?
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    Its not worth anything, I will give you my address and just send it to me this weekend.
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    That is either a black-powder framed Colt Single Action Army, from the late 1800s, or an Italian replica that has been "antiqued".

    And, truthfully, with that much corrosion evidence, but the patent marks still being that sharp, and the rampant Colt not there, but the screw heads look brand new, I tend to lean to the second one.

    Without more better evidence, I say "fake".
  11. RJay

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    1881 and yes, even as worn as it is it is worth quite a bit. I will let someones else give the guess-a-mate. Do you have any ideal of caliberl? that also has a bearing on value, it should be marked on the barrel..
  12. jack404

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    i'm not saying fake , i think it is a copy though .. not a colt just my thoughts
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    Looks ''too good'' I say fake as well....
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    The caliber is marked on the trigger guard, as it should be on an 1880 black powder model, likely .45 but in shadow in the photo.

    But the front sight looks wrong for an early gun: Need a clear photo of barrel top.

    It also probably has a mechanical problem as the trigger is too far forward and maybe chipped.
  15. losttyper

    losttyper New Member

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    It says .45 CAL on the trigger mech. Is this gun safe to fire from the looks of it?
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    Looks like a Colt but may have been rebuilt at some point. To be a true 4.75" SAA the the address stamp on top of the barrel will be in 2 lines. Longer Colts that have been cut down to 4.75" are easy to tell because of the single line address stamp on top of the barrel. I think the ejector should be the bullseye type for that year. The screws do look too good. The rifling should look like thin lines twisting thru the bore. Not lands and grooves like modern rifling. We need to see the top and bottom of the pistol to authenticate it being a real Colt.

    You should not shoot that pistol. Not without having it inspected by a gunsmith... And only with black powder or extremely reduced loads. I've shot similar looking real Colts but would not recommend it.
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  17. Jim K

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    IMHO, it is genuine. The barrel has been cut and the sight moved or a new one put on; I can't tell the original barrel length. I am virtually certain that the blurred area behind the patent dates originally had the letters "U.S", and the wood grip would be consistent with a military revolver. Whether it is one of the so-called "artillery models" or was cut down after service, I have no idea. The three line patent marking is consistent with the serial number. It looks like the top of the trigger is broken, so do not fire that gun until you have it checked over.

    I strongly recommend getting a Colt letter on that gun.

    Jim
  18. Hawg

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    IMHO it's the real deal except the screws, ejector rod and cylinder pin. The bullseye ejector was discontinued in 1882 and the screws and cylinder pin look new compared to the rest of it. The ejector could be a period replacement as the bullseye was notorious for catching on just about everything but it's not original to the gun.
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    I just read a short story about Colt SAA revolvers that werew used during what was called the Phillipine Insurrection. The military had switched over to Colt double action .38 caliber revolvers and had stripped the retired SAA's down to their components. During the Phillipine Insurection, while fighting the Moro insurectionists, they found that the .38 caliber was not an efective man stopper. The military then went to their stock pile of gun parts and assembled as many good and functional .45 caliber SAA revolvers as they had parts to do so. The barrels were shortened from the original 7.5" also. Not up on the Colt SAA enough to tell if it's the real deal or not. A letter or e-mail to Mike Venturino who writes for Guns Magazine, American Handgunner, and Reloader magazine may help you find out what you have for sure. He frequently has stories about the variations in the SAA and the history of them as well.


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  20. Hawg

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    I'd spend the hundred bucks or however much it is now to get a factory letter.
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