Fast and furious 5 agents ruled responsible

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  1. cycloneman

    cycloneman Well-Known Member

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/politic...for-fast-and-furious-20120730,0,4364586.story


    By Richard A. Serrano

    July 30, 2012, 4:17 p.m.
    WASHINGTON -- Republican congressional investigators have concluded that five senior ATF officials -- from the special agent-in-charge of the Phoenix field office to the top man in the bureau’s Washington headquarters -- are collectively responsible for the failed Fast and Furious gun-tracking operation that was “marred by missteps, poor judgments and inherently reckless strategy.”

    The investigators, in a final report likely to be released later this week, also unearthed new evidence that agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in Phoenix initially sought to hide from the Mexican government the crucial information that two Fast and Furious firearms were recovered after the brother of a Mexican state attorney general was killed there.

    According to a copy of the report obtained Monday by The Times, the investigators said their findings are “the best information available as of now” about the flawed gun operation that last month led to Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr. being found in contempt of Congress for failing to turn over subpoenaed documents.

    Two more final reports, they said, will deal with “the devastating failure of supervision and leadership” at the Department of Justice and an “unprecedented obstruction of the [congressional] investigation by the highest levels of the Justice Department, including the attorney general himself.”

    The first report did allege some Justice Department involvement, however, notably that Kenneth E. Melson, then acting ATF director, was made into a “scapegoat” for Fast and Furious after he told congressional Republicans his Justice Department supervisors “were doing more damage control than anything” else once Fast and Furious became public.

    “My view is that the whole matter of the department’s response in this case was a disaster,” Melson told the investigators.

    Fast and Furious, which allowed some 2,500 illegal gun sales in Arizona with the hope that agents would track the weapons to Mexican drug cartels, began in fall 2009 and was halted after U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. By then, most of the weapons had been lost, and two were recovered at the scene of his slaying.

    The five ATF managers, since moved to other positions, have either defended Fast and Furious in congressional testimony or refused to discuss it. They could not be reached for comment Monday. At the Justice Department, senior officials, including Holder, have steadfastly maintained that Fast and Furious was confined to the Arizona border region and that Washington was never aware of the flawed tactics.

    The joint staff report, authored by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, was highly critical of the ATF supervisors.

    They found that William Newell, the special agent-in-charge in Phoenix, exhibited “repeatedly risky” management and “consistently pushed the envelope of permissible investigative techniques.” The report said “he had been reprimanded ... before for crossing the line, but under a new administration and a new attorney general he reverted back to the use of risky gunwalking tactics.”

    His boss, Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations William McMahon, “rubber stamped critical documents that came across his desk without reading them,” the report alleged. “In McMahon’s view it was not his job to ask any questions about what was going on in the field.”

    They added that McMahon gave “false testimony” to Congress about signing applications for wiretap intercepts in Fast and Furious.

    His supervisor, Mark Chait, assistant director for field operations, “played a surprisingly passive role during the operation,” the report said. “He failed to provide oversight that his experience should have dictated and his position required.”

    Above Chait was Deputy Director William Hoover, who the report said ordered an exit strategy to scuttle Fast and Furious but never followed through: “Hoover was derelict in his duty to ensure that public safety was not jeopardized.”

    And they said Melson, a longtime career Justice official, “often stayed above the fray” instead of bringing Fast and Furious to an “end sooner.”

    But, the investigators said, ATF agents said that they were hamstrung by federal prosecutors in Arizona from obtaining criminal charges for illegal gun sales, and that Melson “even offered to travel to Phoenix to write the indictments himself. Still, he never ordered it be shut down.”

    In the November 2010 slaying in Mexico of Mario Gonzalez, the brother of Patricia Gonzalez, then attorney general for the state of Chihuahua, two of 16 weapons were traced back to Fast and Furious after they were recovered from a shootout with Mexican police.

    But 10 days later, ATF Agent Tonya English urged Agent Hope MacAllister and their supervisor, David J. Voth, to keep it under wraps. “My thought is not to release any information,” she told them in an email.

    When Patricia Gonzalez later learned that two of the guns had been illegally obtained under Fast and Furious, she was outraged. "The basic ineptitude of these officials [who ordered the Fast and Furious operation] caused the death of my brother and surely thousands more victims," she said.

    The following month, Agent Terry was killed south of Tucson. Voth emailed back, “Ugh ... things will most likely get ugly.”
  2. skullfr

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    typical govt inept actions
  3. soundguy

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    so now what?
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    I think Holder needs to be reminded who is boss. They all do.
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    They serve Master Obama and care nothing about anyone/anything else.
    They would do anything to accomplish his perverted agenda for our country. They would do anything to undermine the Constitution.
  6. cycloneman

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    They have broken our laws. Need to be punished. period end of story all of them
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    For those having been around a while, same old, same old ! A few minor - and weak players - are going to be thrown under the bus, but the real wolves will get to keep their fleece ! I also find it interesting the offices of Grassley and Issa chose to freeze out Mssrs. Codrea and Vanderboegh, (whose perseverence broke the story to their offices ) in favor of the MSM flakes .

    ATF has been "dirty" for decades and our current USAG has been instrumental in covering their s**t over three administrations. I'm sure the OA wants to keep the "dirt" in hated AZ, but it spreads not only to other southern border states but, I strongly suspect, to southeastern and midwestern states as well. >MW
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    Can you say scapegoats?
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    looking that way.. :(
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    Intentional actions to subvert the 2d Amendment, IMO. If Republicans had not taken the House in 2010, none of this would be known. People need to go to jail over this and impeachment is justified.
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    I wonder if this means that Issa will get ALL of the documents he requested finally.

    We already know that F&F goes into the white house, but who knew? We need to know.
  12. Levant

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    That is exactly the question to ask. So some Congress people spent well beyond a year investigating. Now they published a report. That's about like giving Holder and the BATFE a stern talking to.

    When Congress people think they have milked the subject for all of its value, or they get tired of talking about it and doing nothing, they release a report.

    If they want to do something, submit bills defunding the BATFE. Submit bills making it a felony for any US law enforcement agency to violate the same laws that the rest of us must obey. Make it a felony for Federal employees to withhold documents requested by the Congress. Pass a law eliminating the made-up concept of Executive privilege. Defund DOJ if they have to. They either submit to legal and legitimate congressional oversight or they are gone.

    The only power Congress has is to pass laws and control the money. Reports do neither of these things. The reports just allow Issa and Grassley to pretend they did something when they did nothing.
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    i think they ought to throw the lot of them in a pit and only let one out.. and the guy that climbs out gets to go to jail forever.
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