Made in Ukraine and Russia respectively. The Fort models are police/military issue and it sounds like they would be almost impossible to find because of gun laws over there- they are only sold to work with rubber bullets to citizens, so I imagine finding one here (made for real bullets of course) would be tough. The MP412 REX might be an even harder find as the project was canceled, since it was primarily made for export (focused on a US market) but a Clinton/Yeltsin deal shot that possibility down. But it does sound like they made it to production. So in theory some should exist, and I can only imagine SOME found their way here, but how many? Any ideas on either of these, anyone got more info than what I was able to quickly find?