Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Marlin, Oct 23, 2009.

  1. :D;)

    Hmmmm.... No I did not take a, "political science" class but I do not need a Highly Paid MORON to waste my time telling me somthing I can find out on my own in 15 minutes... If you found it educational, then good for you.

    1 - If you had not noticed that the majority of the posters here DISAGREE with many of the, "socialized" programs that you want to push foward.

    The deffinition is here

    2 - military, The milltiary can be miss constued to be considered to be, "Owned" by the, "People" but in what way do the, "People" exersice their "ownership" of the military?

    And this is simply viewing the miltitary as a whole, let alone its diffent branches.....

    So, agian, how do we exersise "ownership" of the miltitary?

    we vote for the president... but oh wait, that is not a proscess of "Socialism" because there is no refrence to, "Voting" In the definition of "Socialism".....

    Then the argument can further go along and point out, how much control dose the people really have over the military even with their right to vote?

    Lets face it, the people have next to no Power over the military.

    3 - Fire departments - Did you know that outside the major citys many fire departments run particaly and some even fully on volenteers?

    If you cannot exercise control over somthing then you cannot be the owner of somthing in more than name alone.... and I, and many here do not recognise, "ownership" of somthing we have no control over.

    While your closest on this one, It is still not fully a, "socialized" system, besides, there is some demoracy in there usaly, right?

    4 - Medicare.... LoL, you brought this one up! :eek::D:mad:

    You do know that while some here are on it, Next to no one here likes it and thinks that while it dose provide some benifit, people and their familys should take care of themselves, and its not worth the cost to them and their children and their grandchildren.

    Les face it.... I bet that nearly everyone that is on it here could have paid for most of their own medical care without medicare if the money had not been taxed away from them earlier on in their life.

    5 - The "S.S." - Annother one that should never have been brought to life... I much rather pay for my grand parents living out of my own pocket than to have my money taxed away from me, and spent on somthing I never wanted to see happen.

    Regardess, *I* still need to help take care of my grand parents as the measely sum they send to reitree's is NEXT TO NOTHING.

    In other words, you are defending your point with topics that we are attacking and trying to rid the contry with... Hmmm not the best way to make the point, "we already have it"

    Yes I do not need socialism in my life... the libs spew way to much of that crap into the air as it is already.

    No, their just like slavery, and how well dose that work?

    Now I know why your nose is so far in the air.... that peg that went up your rear end is coming out your nose.


    Wow and you actualy belive that?

    The truth is that staffers to congressmen and women write the bills as dictated to them by their congressmen... now, just becasue the president is not supposed to be apart of this prosses, who is in place to stop him?

    Hmmm.... what body is responsible to make sure the president is not supposed to write these bills?

    congress? Oh you mean the same congress that is letting their power be taken by Obama's Zars?

    Its just like how the president is dictaing CEo's Max sallerys..... no one said he could, no law says he can... he is just doing it..

    I dont think you understand the Political world so let me enlighten you... If no one will stick their neck out to take you on you can do ANYTHING..... and I mean exacly that... you can rape and murder children but if no one is willing to enforce the laws on the books then the laws mean NOTHING.

    PS: I appoligese for using such horrid discriptors, but its very hard to find crime that a lib cannot justify to themselves as, "Ok"

    Yes but we all know that "medical Pro's" are not going to be the only ones handling the information.

    I rather not have somone accedently type in a wrong file number and all my information pop up, or worse, give me the wrong medication because they mistakenly typed the wrong 10 digit number...

    The way it is now, I chose who has my medcial info, and thats the way I like it.

    Oh really?

    Well here it *Is*

    It also says, "secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves" and while, "socialism" Denotes commuity ownership, Liberty denotes freedom from goverment control, which, "commuity ownership" would be govermental control.

    So, are we to belive your line that shows bits and pieces mr schollar or mine that shows the whole thing.


    Here is a link to Annother site on the consitution... so please, tell me where in that document it suports your BS.

    Sorry but just because the wording is diffrent, that dose not mean that I can not expect a degree of privacy from this ammendment.

    So you agree with me that a law must be enforced for it to mean anything.

    Oh and this:
    Durring the Civil war, Lincon did alot of work to strip away states rights and no one has re-instated it.... though at the time he did so to prevent a 2nd civil war from happening, ( should he some how win, is how it was viewed at the time. )

    Wow....... maybe you should re-take some of those classes.... dont look to me like you learned very much.... :p

    It gets the power from that clause cause there are next to no one will truly take it on, and those that have, have done so from a weak platform.

    I will admit you are right about a person needing to do some homework... but then, at the same time we do not have to pull out every gun and fire every round to make our points.... only a fool wastes all his ammo in the first round.

    LoL, :D

    Independent voters = Dem's who have not made up their minds...

    Our goals are to beat those closed minds open with facts and recuit them to join our side.

    LoL, and we are gaining ground day by day....

    The "Idependents" only matter when one side dose not dominate the other, but with the way our goverment is going these days we will be the dominate group as droves of people will join our ranks, and to your supprise, many of these converts will spend the rest of their lives in our ranks.

    It helps when you look at things honestly, with morality, without the rose colored glasses and only ask for a fair shot at things

    I agree with the part I bolded out.

    I guess you dont get it.... It dose not ever have to cross the presidents desk..... It seems you do not have a Idea of the power of a buracrat.

    I have heard of a old lady that is to be kicked off her land that she has owned for the last 50 years because her 30 year old son, "could" be harmful to socitity.... the fact that the land owner next door is to be gifted the land is not to be mentioned.

    There are thousands of cases every day where buracrats overstep their bounds and unless we are willing to take it to the suppreme court, it goes right along.

    YOU, Belercous, are stating the way things should be done and expect the world to fallow it when it suits you, but look a reality aslo, when it suits you.

    And the opinion of most of the members, of the leagal commuity means what to me?

    Oh, thats right, nothing...

    Your definiton of, "conservitive" and mine are way off as I see lib's out numbering our side by a wide margin.. ( in the number of district and appellate judges )

    Go ahead and be as nasty as you like. :D

    I have had far worse than any words on a forum you can throw at me.. :D
  2. belercous

    belercous Former Guest

    Aug 7, 2009
    bcj1755: "Superior intellect?" Why, thank you. Certainly next to you I am a veritable rocket-surgeon. Obviously from your posts you don't let facts or reality cloud your world view or opinions. Sorry to upset you, I won't bother you again.

    Hells Toy Master: Learn how to spell so it doen't look like I'm replying to a nine year old. I'm sorry if you really are 9, in that case please wait a few years. And go to school, no skipping. Your spelling will suffer if you skip class.

    "Some people look at the glass and say it's half-full. Others look at the glass and they see a unicorn"-- Jon Stewart

  3. JohnBrainard

    JohnBrainard New Member

    Sep 11, 2009
    Gilbert, AZ
    Only to a liberal are sarcastic remarks and attacks on one's spelling a viable alternative to reason and logic.
  4. belercous

    belercous Former Guest

    Aug 7, 2009
    Well, I tried reason and logic, but that didn't work. Not that sarcasm would work either, mostly its a sign of exasperation. Most people base their opinions on emotion, not fact. This applies to myself as well, although I try to maintain an open mind, something that few here seem capable of.
    And spelling? Well, it is an indicator of one's level of intelligence. Especially in the modern era with spell-check programs on computers. I may misspell a word here and there myself, but I don't have a spell-check program (or if I do I'm unaware of it. I'm not a computer guy). But really, just look at his post. Even without a spell checker the number of misspelled words is a bit excessive, and rightly or wrongly, people do tend to judge others on their spelling. It is a reflection on one's level of education, if not intellectual abilities.
    "Only to a liberal are sarcastic remarks..." Tune into Rush Limbaugh, he never uses sarcasm.
  5. JohnBrainard

    JohnBrainard New Member

    Sep 11, 2009
    Gilbert, AZ
    His message was coherent, yet you totally blew it off. Spelling is a lousy excuse to not respond to the points that were brought up. Spelling is a lousy way to judge a person's knowledge and character as well. Do you test people's spelling abilities before you associate with them?

    And, you cut off the most relevant part of my message, "a viable alternative to reason and logic."

    Feel free to support your claim that spelling "is an indicator of one's level of intelligence" with a peer-reviewed study. I know plenty of intelligent people who just can't type and don't exactly excel at computers. You yourself claim to be intelligent and are "not a computer guy.'
  6. jondar

    jondar New Member

    Mar 2, 2009
    Don't feed the trolls.
  7. Ooooh, the liberal resorts to insults instead of responding to a differing opinion:rolleyes: Why am I not suprised?:rolleyes: "Rocket-surgeon" huh? I'll assume you were being sarcastic. But then, you seem incapable of recognising the sarcasm of my "superior intellect" remark.:rolleyes: Just like most liberals, you spew the same tired talking points, incoherent liberal "facts," and twisted, nonsensical liberal "logic" that you just continue to parrot from the TV. You also claim that poor spelling or lack of computer skills are a sign of low intellect, yet you yourself admit to not being a computer guy. Therefore, using your own logic, you are of low intellect. Going strictly by the posts I've seen, I'd actually rate Hells Toy Master as being more intelligent that you. But what do I know, I never went to law school like you:rolleyes: If you really did, then you must not have paid very close attention. You claim to be a constitutional scholar, yet by what you post, you seem to be comepltely ignorant of the Founding Fahters' purposes in writing the Constitution. I presented real facts and the showed the intent of the Founding Fathers by using their own writings, yet the best rebuttal you could come up with was a rediculous post where you tried to insult me (key word being "tried") and yet again try to make yourself out to be superior to others.:rolleyes:

    You claim to be an Obama supporting gun owner, yet you've posted very little about firearms. Most of your posts are directed at making yourself seem smarter than others simply by virtue of your supposed education and the fact that you're a liberal, and like most liberals you think yourself superior to others. So tell us, since you love guns so much, how many guns do you own? What's your favorite gun? How often do you shoot? What gun(s) did you use when you supposedly taught other liberals how to shoot? Do you have a concealed carry permit? Do you own a firearm for defensive purposes? How long have you been shooting? How did you learn to shoot? What are your feelings about national gun registration? Would you go along with it? What about gun confiscations? Would you submit to a gun confiscation? What are your feelings about the "national security force" that Obama says we need?

    You're nothing but another liberal troll who just can't stand that someone would actually think for themselves instead of swallowing the crap spewed forth from the omnidirectional sludgepump and the left-wing "bastions of truth" on the internet. You claim that you listen to Rush and Beck because they make you laugh, well reading your posts makes me laugh. Your obvious narcisism. And your obvious low self esteem that manifests itself in trying to elevate yourself over others. With each successive post you make, your ignorance of what you claim to have studied in college manifests itself more and more. So please, continue posting, I need some amusment.
  8. LoL :D very funny, I am 27 and not 9... I dont use spell check most of the time and my trademark is my poor spelling.

    Besides if you have a question of what I was refering to, then please point it out rather than simply ignore me, unless you are admiting defeat? :D

    Can you read it?

    Cna yuo raed tihs?
    Olny 55% of plepoe can.

    I cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!


    Spelling is not as inporrtant as you think. ;)

    LoL, no your banter is from fear, confusion and your un-willingness to risk a loss so you ridicule and mock us rather than face us. You know what I am saying regardless of my spelling errors.

    How am I not surprised?... Libs always run and hide and make everyone else do their work for them. :)

    Anyways, with out the BB codes, Here is my replys in Quotes, with most spelling errors fixed... PS: Bel, the spell checker pointed quite a few for yourself, thus, I wont waste my time spell checking your posts.

    Here is the link to the spell checker that I found, just for our good friend.

    :D At least you took me up on that last one with the spelling thing. :D


    Can you now understand it, or shall I have to cut it down into Go - Dog - Go style of wording for a simpleton like yourself to understand? :p

    PS: Thank you BCJ1755

    For our friend who has reading problems:

    Last edited: Oct 27, 2009
  9. :D:D:D I had forgotten about that study. Thanks for reminding me about it.

    PS: You're welcome:D:D:D

    And now, back on topic (sort of)...
    Here is the text of Article I, Section 8 of the US Constitution. This is the section that defines the powers of Congress.
    Tell me exactly where in there Congress is given the power to take over control of everyone's healthcare. Also, tell me where in there Congress is given the power to put my personal medical records into a federal database so that others can access without my permission. I'll save you some time. You can't find it because it is not in there. Now, since that power is not specifically granted to Congress, then the 10th Amendment would apply.
    Seems simple enough to me.
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