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  1. Marlin

    Marlin *TFF Admin Staff Chief Counselor*

    Mar 27, 2003
    At SouthernMoss' side forever!
    House Moves McCarthy Bill To Give The FBI Access To Billions Of Your Personal Records -- In Order To Seize Your Guns

    Gun Owners of America E-Mail Alert
    8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
    Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408

    ACTION: Gun Owners of America alerted you to the dangers of HR 1415
    in early June. While the bill has lain dormant since then, it is
    scheduled for a vote in the House Judiciary Committee this Wednesday.
    So please contact your representative and ask him to oppose this
    bill. This is legislation that we've been able to kill in the past,
    but it's important for us to rise in opposition once again.

    We have reprinted the gist of our previous alert to help explain the
    problems with HR 1415. Contact information and pre-written text are
    included at the very bottom.

    Monday, July 24, 2006

    Anti-gun zealot Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) is going after your guns...
    again. HR 1415 was reported out of a House subcommittee in May and
    is now scheduled for a full committee vote on Wednesday.

    When you look at the list of cosponsors on HR 1415, you find a "Who's
    Who" of the anti-gun Democratic elite: Reps. Howard Berman (D-CA),
    John Conyers (D-MI), Diana DeGette (D-CO), Barney Frank (D-MA), Zoe
    Lofgren (D-CA), and Pete Stark (D-CA) among others. They are all
    F-rated Representatives.

    HR 1415 -- the McCarthy bill -- would require states to "make
    electronically available to the Attorney General records relevant to
    a determination of whether a person is disqualified from possessing
    or receiving a firearm under [federal law]" [Section 102(c)(1)(A)].

    Among other things, the bill will help FBI officials to effectively
    stop thousands upon thousands of Americans from purchasing a firearm.
    Already, millions of Americans have been disarmed by the Lautenberg
    Gun Ban which President Bill Clinton signed in 1996.

    Because of the Lautenberg ban, people who have committed very minor
    offenses that include pushing, shoving or, in some cases, even
    yelling at a family member have discovered that they can no longer
    own a firearm for self-defense. Consider just some of the many

    * A Delaware member of GOA testified in Congress as to how the
    Lautenberg gun ban had disarmed him for life -- simply because he
    swatted his child with an open hand on the buttocks. At the time,
    this father was going through an ugly divorce, and so his estranged
    wife, with the encouragement of her mother, reported the man to the
    police for child abuse. After a nasty court battle, this father was
    forced to accept a domestic violence misdemeanor conviction. He has
    sold his firearms collection and is now disarmed for life by the
    Lautenberg gun ban, simply because he spanked his child.

    * In Fairfax County, Virginia, a wife (Judy) was carted off to the
    police station for slightly tearing her husband's pocket -- even
    though her husband refused to press charges. The husband, Tom,
    states he had only called the police to get "documentation in a
    custody dispute." Nevertheless, Virginia's zero-tolerance law
    requires the police to press charges in such cases. For Judy to
    plea-bargain to a misdemeanor and pay a minimal fine means that she
    forfeits her Second Amendment rights forever because of the
    Lautenberg ban.

    * The Lautenberg gun ban has even slapped sons and daughters with a
    lifetime gun ban, for nothing more than the slightest of infractions.
    The Washington Post Magazine reports that twenty-one year old Lora
    lost her temper and flung an empty water bottle and her car keys.
    Unfortunately for her, the car keys landed near her mother. For
    that, Lora was arrested, booked, and told she must not have any
    contact with her mom for three days, even though she was still living
    at home. Officer Mike Twomey, who assisted in the arrest, remarks
    that "in the old days, the proper response would have been to say,
    'hey, ladies, cool it.' Now, arrest is the only option."

    Let's not forget, that because of the Lautenberg domestic violence
    MISDEMEANOR gun ban, the "new days" means that if Lora pays a $25
    fine -- just to get the issue "behind her" -- she loses her gun
    rights forever.

    These examples are just the tip of the iceberg.

    But the anti-gun nuts in Congress are upset because many of the
    states' criminal records are incomplete. As a result, the FBI does
    not access all of these records when screening the background of
    someone who purchases a firearm from a gun dealer.

    So HR 1415 will grant millions of dollars to the states to improve
    their criminal records. Specifically, the bill would send taxpayer
    monies to the states so they can provide the FBI with the names of
    those people who are disqualified by the Lautenberg gun ban.

    Obviously, this starts with a huge computer network of felonies and
    misdemeanors -- with the FBI trolling through records of bar fights
    or domestic disputes to determine if you spanked your kids or yelled
    at your husband and are therefore disqualified from owning a gun
    under the Lautenberg amendment. Congress should be repealing the
    Lautenberg gun ban, not extending it to disable even more people from
    owning guns.

    But the problem is much broader than that:

    * Federal law prohibits illegal aliens from owning guns [18 U.S.C.
    922(g)(5)]. But, in order to identify illegal aliens, "relevant"
    records could mean that the FBI would demand state tax returns of ALL
    American citizens, employment records, or even library records -- all
    in the name of making sure that you're not an illegal.

    * And did you know that veterans who have suffered from
    post-traumatic stress disorder have been deemed as mentally
    "incompetent" and are prohibited from owning guns under 18 U.S.C.
    922(g)(4)? Records of those instances certainly exist; and, in 1999,
    the Department of Veterans Administration turned over 90,000 names of
    veterans to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS background check

    The bottom line is this: The "Instant check" program has hardly
    worked well enough to justify giving the Attorney General the right
    to go on a fishing expedition through EVERY personal record on every
    citizen in your state. This bill would expand the power of the
    federal government in the most ridiculous of ways.

    But McCarthy, who could care less about raising the debt limits in
    this country, would take an already financially-overburdened
    government and slap it with additional burdens, requiring millions of
    dollars to be spent on tracking the personal information on millions
    of law-abiding Americans. That's the "carrot" for the states:
    update your records, provide them to the federal government, and get
    millions of dollars in return.

    Well, if the Second and Tenth Amendments were to be obeyed, the
    Federal government would be prohibited from passing laws that allow
    the FBI to search through the records of HONEST, LAW-ABIDING

    Never mind the fact that all this data is handled with less care than
    the records of a farmer's livestock. Consider that CNSNews.com
    reported in June that 25 million Social Security number records of
    veterans were recently hacked. The more that our private data gets
    added into government computers, the more likely we are to have our
    identity compromised.


    1. Please forward this alert to as many as you can, so that your
    friends, acquaintances and family members can also contact their
    Senators and Representatives. Congressmen must hear that this
    legislation is unacceptable.

    2. To identify your Representative, as well as to send a message via
    e-mail, see the Legislative Action Center at
    http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm on the GOA website.

    ----- Pre-written letter -----

    Dear Representative:

    I am outraged that Rep. Carolyn McCarthy is trying to prohibit more
    Americans from owning guns with her HR 1415. This bill spends
    millions of dollars to further prop up the unconstitutional Brady
    Law, but there is no authority for the Federal government to do this
    under the Second and Tenth Amendments.

    Section 102(c)(1)(A) of H.R. 1415 would allow the federal government
    to troll through state misdemeanor, diversion, psychiatric, tax, and
    even library records -- all for the purpose of finding new reasons to
    seize guns from law-abiding Americans.

    The Instant Background Check should be banned, not expanded. We
    should be focusing attention on crooks, not on law-abiding citizens
    like my friends, my family and me. And Congress should be repealing
    the Lautenberg gun ban, not extending it to disable even more people
    from owning guns. H.R. 1415 is a simply an extension of the hated
    Lautenberg gun ban.

    Please oppose H.R. 1415.

    I would appreciate hearing whether you plan to oppose this bill. Gun
    Owners of America will keep me informed about any votes on this
    dangerous measure.


  2. henry0reilly

    henry0reilly Member

    May 22, 2004

    Email sent to Steve Buyer.
  3. rosierita

    rosierita Active Member

    Mar 13, 2004
    South Carolina
    thanks for the heads up marlin! i had an alert in my email box this morning too.:)
  4. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Did done, but thanks anyways!!!
  5. pickenup

    pickenup Active Member

    Sep 11, 2002
    Colorado Rocky Mountains

  6. southernshooter

    southernshooter New Member

    Mar 5, 2006
    Deep South Mississippi
    I love my GOA e-mail's
  7. MidnightRambler

    MidnightRambler New Member

    Jun 12, 2006
    Email sent to Julia Carson, for all the good it will do.
  8. Huck Finn

    Huck Finn Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    This is the kind of stuff that happens when people defend things like the Patriot Act! People who think "If you've done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to worry about" are allowing this to happen. All the gun grabbers have to say is that this bill will help to identify, capture, disarm the terrorists and it will sail through being passed. It all started with library records and phone calls being opened to prying eyes.
  9. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    Emphisis add by me.

    A couple of keywords that he used, that means he is full of you know what.

    First the phrase """I believe that the Second Amendment gives us the right""" He is full of it, I KNOW this because of his voting record.

    Second phrase """sporting purposes""" This shows me that he believes I'm stupid and have no grasp on the history of this counrty. Sporting has nothing to do with keeping a govt. that isn't a tyrant.

    Third pharse """senseless gun violence""" Once again he is showing his true liberal colors. We don't need more laws, just enforcement of the ones we have now.

    Fourth phrase """limited safety measures that do not infringe on the
    constitutional rights of any Americans""" I ask, what do you not understand about shall not infrinded?

    Fifth phrase """I will be certain to keep your views in mind.""" What am I to make of this? That he will be flipping me the middle finger while he votes against me?

    He is another reason why I say. Typical Democrat.
  10. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Central NJ
    Oh yeah because everyone knows they never tried to grab guns before the Patriot Act. Its not the people who support the Patriot Act its the antigun leftys. I see a lot of Ds after the names of those who want this to pass.

  11. Huck Finn

    Huck Finn Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    I don't know, this whole thing of going through peoples private lives sure smells like the Patriot Act to me. But, like the people who support the Patriot Act like to say, "If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to worry about". But we don't have anything to worry about anyway, we have a republican Congress, so it will never pass and if by some miracle it does pass, we can count on GW to veto it, so nothing to worry about!
  12. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Central NJ

    How many times are you going to repeat your objection to the Patriot Act and try and tie it into what is clearly a democrat proposal? A proposal that is being made by a dem who did not support the Patriot Act.
    These are the people you champion pushing to take away your gun rights. This bill is an amendment to the Gun Control Act which was put forth by the swimmer to make sure that blacks could not arm themselves. Really great record on protecting rights the dems have.
  13. Huck Finn

    Huck Finn Member

    Aug 17, 2004
    Are you worried that the republicans can't or won't stop this? They have the majority and the presidential veto, Nothing to worry about!
  14. satellite66

    satellite66 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Central NJ
    Are you not worried that the dems keep putting up these bills aimed at gun owners? I have less concern about the pubs doing something like this than I do the dems. Don't you?
  15. Marlin T

    Marlin T Well-Known Member

    Jul 8, 2005
    New Mexico
    This really is disturbing. What happened to the Democrat party of my Grandparents?

    This kind of crap wouldn't have flown.

    Huck you said """...we have a republican Congress...""" This isn't a good mindset to have. Because one of these days there won't be republican congress to defend against liberalism. In todays world, and the extreamists that are running the democrat party it makes me worry about an other revolution.

    The bad thing is, is that the muslim extreamist will all be on the dems side!!

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