Good men did nothing but follow orders to stand down

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  1. cycloneman

    cycloneman Well-Known Member

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    If you have been following the Benghazi embassy murders up to the minuet no doubt you have heard that the administration knew all along what was going on. Their information was also up to the minuet. Cries for help which could have been answered were not except for a couple of gents who defied orders to stand down. They held off attackers for 7 hours while open lines of communication to the WH went unanswered. Not only was there an open line of communication to the WH but others had picked up the traffic and wanted to help. Each time the administration ordered our military to stand down. And they did. Good men stood down knowing all too well what was happening. All the while the Wh was watching these guys get murdered. This administration has blood on its hands.
    This is not home of the free, and brave. What brave? The more I learn the more ashamed I am. This bull schitte has to end. All the good men are worried about the retirement they will lose if they don’t follow orders. Our fathers who came here with nothing in pocket, they look away.

    Remember that old saying that for evil to take over good men need do nothing to stop it?

    Now If you ever had a doubt if (men with guns) have an order to detain you, take away your guns, make you a prisoner, you know have your answer.

    If you don’t vote the evil out, your gona wish you did.

    To you guys who followed orders and did nothing while these people were mutilated, murdered, rapped. I hope each night greets you with images that will not let you sleep the rest of your life.

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    Well said, sad, but well said.
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    I have been saying this for quite some time. Not only the Military but the LEO in your community. They WILL follow orders no matter what, period. Pension before people and the Constitution.
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    Minuet = a slow ball room dance
    Minute = a period of time that equals 60 seconds.
    In this case minuet may actually be correct and the administration is dancing around this whole subject. Watching this in real time and doing nothing is TREASON and those responsible should be charged. If there is a reason that they didn't respond they had better say why, but for the life of me I can't think of one. Zippy and gang should all rot in jail.
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    Steve it isnt that bad. You see out of everyone who heard the cries for help all over the world, which includes the military, cia, and other govts at least 2 guys disobayed orders and came to their country men's aid.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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    Some call us Right Wing.
    Some call us Conservative.
    Some call us the original terrorist,
    Some call us Patriots,
    Some call us Peasants,
    Still others refer to us as Colonist

    Actually we are all of these.

    Long ago the fight began
    It was part of our Lords plan
    Brother to brother,
    Eye to eye
    Muzzle to muzzle

    This fight for freedom still whispers today
    With brothers united and numbers grand
    Stay the course for this land.
    Raise your hand without pause.
    For today we are free
    Because of what others have done for thee

    Today I hold truths dear
    For tomorrow is unclear.
    So my brothers all join hands
    To rid evil from our lands
    And should this day a battle near
    For you my brother I have no fear.
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    Not up on all the facts, sorry. Are these two Heroes still alive or were they slain during this attack?
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    They fought for 7 HOURS. 7 ******* Hours! They cried for help. Screams of no reply!

    they all died. They shoved things up their bumb. They had sex with the dead bodies. NO they did not go easy into the dark.

    Mark levin is talking about it right now. YOu can stream it on your computer live.
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    My guess it will turn into a "training video" on what happens when you disobey orders.
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    2 men held off a platoon strength of scumbags for 7 hours some of which time they were taking mortar fire. That's SEALS for you and they died because the help that was available to save them wouldn't be sent. Obozo doesn't want to put a scratch on his moslem brothers other than to scratch their a$$es for them.
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    Watch what you say and who you say it too... If you were in front of me we would be having a very unpleasant conversation. NOTHING WILL KEEP ME FROM DEFENDING THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AGAINST ALL ENEMY FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. NOT MY RETIREMENT CHECK, NOT MY LIFE...NOTHING.
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    That's outrageous. It needs to be brodcast far and wide; 0 and hillary need to be held to account and pilloried for their anti-American actions on this occasion.
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    Relax silverback, i'm sure it wasn't personally directed toward you but more as an in general. i too know some military and law enforcement members, both retired and currently serving, that would not obey orders that go directly aginst the Constitution of the United States of America. But I fear enough would. That being said i'll continue to hold firm to the saying, "I'll die on my feet before I live on my knees". It'll be what it is when and if the time comes.
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    Relax SB he knows not all are going to follow orders. We all know that. We are just making note that there is a clear division in the country and some will follow orders no matter what.

    Evey one here is on the same page.
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    Done.... Thanks.
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    Retired, thank you for your service. New and unimproved generation of LEO, not so much.
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    delete double post
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    No pro
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    Please copy and get this story out to as many as you can


    CIA requests for help in Benghazi attack denied?




    Fox News has learned from sources who were on the ground in Benghazi that an urgent request from the CIA annex for military back-up during the attack on the U.S. consulate and subsequent attack several hours later on the annex itself was denied by the CIA chain of command -- who also told the CIA operators twice to "stand down" rather than help the ambassador's team when shots were heard at approximately 9:40 p.m. in Benghazi on Sept. 11.

    Former Navy SEAL Tyrone Woods was part of a small team who was at the CIA annex about a mile from the U.S. consulate where Ambassador Chris Stevens and his team came under attack. When he and others heard the shots fired, they informed their higher-ups at the annex to tell them what they were hearing and requested permission to go to the consulate and help out. They were told to "stand down," according to sources familiar with the exchange. Soon after, they were again told to "stand down."

    Woods and at least two others ignored those orders and made their way to the consulate which at that point was on fire. Shots were exchanged. The rescue team from the CIA annex evacuated those who remained at the consulate and Sean Smith, who had been killed in the initial attack. They could not find the ambassador and returned to the CIA annex at about midnight.

    At that point, they called again for military support and help because they were taking fire at the CIA safe house, or annex. The request was denied. There were no communications problems at the annex, according those present at the compound. The team was in constant radio contact with their headquarters. In fact, at least one member of the team was on the roof of the annex manning a heavy machine gun when mortars were fired at the CIA compound. The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Spectre gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights.

    CIA spokeswoman Jennifer Youngblood, though, denied the claims that requests for support were turned down.

    "We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi," she said. "Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night-and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades."

    The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators.

    Watch "Special Report Investigates: Benghazi -- New Revelations" on Fox News at 1 p.m. ET on Saturday, 3 p.m. on Sunday and 10 p.m. on Sunday.

    A Special Operations team, or CIF which stands for Commanders in Extremis Force, operating in Central Europe had been moved to Sigonella, Italy, but they were never told to deploy. In fact, a Pentagon official says there were never any requests to deploy assets from outside the country. A second force that specializes in counterterrorism rescues was on hand at Sigonella, according to senior military and intelligence sources. According to those sources, they could have flown to Benghazi in less than two hours. They were the same distance to Benghazi as those that were sent from Tripoli. Spectre gunships are commonly used by the Special Operations community to provide close air support.

    According to sources on the ground during the attack, the special operator on the roof of the CIA annex had visual contact and a laser pointing at the Libyan mortar team that was targeting the CIA annex. The operators were calling in coordinates of where the Libyan forces were firing from.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta told reporters at the Pentagon on Thursday that there was not a clear enough picture of what was occurring on the ground in Benghazi to send help.

    "There's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking going on here," Panetta said Thursday. "But the basic principle here ... is that you don't deploy forces into harm's way without knowing what's going on."

    U.S. officials argue that there was a period of several hours when the fighting stopped before the mortars were fired at the annex, leading officials to believe the attack was over.

    Fox News has learned that there were two military surveillance drones redirected to Benghazi shortly after the attack on the consulate began. They were already in the vicinity. The second surveillance craft was sent to relieve the first drone, perhaps due to fuel issues. Both were capable of sending real time visuals back to U.S. officials in Washington, D.C. Any U.S. official or agency with the proper clearance, including the White House Situation Room, State Department, CIA, Pentagon and others, could call up that video in real time on their computers.

    Tyrone Woods was later joined at the scene by fellow former Navy SEAL Glen Doherty, who was sent in from Tripoli as part of a Global Response Staff or GRS that provides security to CIA case officers and provides countersurveillance and surveillance protection. They were killed by a mortar shell at 4 a.m. Libyan time, nearly seven hours after the attack on the consulate began -- a window that represented more than enough time for the U.S. military to send back-up from nearby bases in Europe, according to sources familiar with Special Operations. Four mortars were fired at the annex. The first one struck outside the annex. Three more hit the annex.

    A motorcade of dozens of Libyan vehicles, some mounted with 50 caliber machine guns, belonging to the February 17th Brigades, a Libyan militia which is friendly to the U.S., finally showed up at the CIA annex at approximately 3 a.m. An American Quick Reaction Force sent from Tripoli had arrived at the Benghazi airport at 2 a.m. (four hours after the initial attack on the consulate) and was delayed for 45 minutes at the airport because they could not at first get transportation, allegedly due to confusion among Libyan militias who were supposed to escort them to the annex, according to Benghazi sources.

    The American special operators, Woods, Doherty and at least two others were part of the Global Response Staff, a CIA element, based at the CIA annex and were protecting CIA operators who were part of a mission to track and repurchase arms in Benghazi that had proliferated in the wake of Muammar Qaddafi's fall. Part of their mission was to find the more than 20,000 missing MANPADS, or shoulder-held missiles capable of bringing down a commercial aircraft. According to a source on the ground at the time of the attack, the team inside the CIA annex had captured three Libyan attackers and was forced to hand them over to the Libyans. U.S. officials do not know what happened to those three attackers and whether they were released by the Libyan forces.

    Fox News has also learned that Stevens was in Benghazi that day to be present at the opening of an English-language school being started by the Libyan farmer who helped save an American pilot who had been shot down by pro-Qaddafi forces during the initial war to overthrow the regime. That farmer saved the life of the American pilot and the ambassador wanted to be present to launch the Libyan rescuer's new school.


    Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...aing7|dl1|sec1_lnk3&pLid=226394#ixzz2ASWgODkV
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