good news for tokarev owners

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by oscarmayer, Jun 16, 2009.

  1. oscarmayer

    oscarmayer New Member

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    magsafe makes a 52 grain "defender" that goes 2120 fps with 519 ft lbs of energy. # 7.62 tok defender
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    Where can I find some of that at?

    Brian.
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    Cheaper than Dirt <www.cheaperthandirt.com>, Midwest Hunter's Outlet <www.midwesthuntersoutlet.com>, and The Online Gun Shop <www.theonlinegunshop.com> all carry Magsafe 7.62x25mm Tokarev.
    By the way, in case anyone has the bright idea of using this for armor-penetrating purposes, it is not a solid lead-core round, but has a lead shot core. In other words, this penetrates LESS than the standard 7.62x25 FMJ.
  4. gyrfalcon

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    [strike]This post seems like SPAM...[/strike]

    Magsafe is over priced and potentially dangerous 7.62x25 ammo.
    http://ingunowners.com/forums/ammun...7_62x25_tokarev_magsafe_ammo_and_cz-52_a.html

    If it's not garbage they have a marketing scheme that's similar to extreme shock ammo.

    "MagSafe Ammo is faster, recoils less, and stops attackers faster than any other ammunition in the world. Elite forces are outfitted with MagSafe, from Navy SEALS to the Royal Hong Kong Police anti gang units, from big city undercover narcs to guards at some of America's meanest prisons."

    Even space aliens that'll eat your brains use magsafe ammo!!!
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  5. techoca

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    Begging your pardon sir, you have insulted an upstanding member of this community.
  6. gyrfalcon

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    Eh, no insult intended in suggesting the member was intentionally spamming. My opinions on Magsafe ammunition remains the same though.
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  7. BigJakeJ1s

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    The day this community holds ANY of its members above question is the end of the community. Sure, there are tactful and tactless ways to respond, but accusing that a member has insulted someone else (not even yourself) by this informative response is even further out of line. Spam (in this case, disreputable information) is often forwarded unknowingly by reputable individuals.

    I agree that mag-safe's marketing claims are well beyond the norm for acceptable levels of product hype.

    Andy
  8. oscarmayer

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    if indeed magsafe is garbage and unsafe please tell me how you've come to that conclusion . i've used mag-safe in a number of calibers and have not been disapointed yet. and yes i've so far fired 24 rounds through my tokarev all without issue. but being a safety minded guy if you would be so kind to provide facts as to how so and please base it on a fact not a hear-say ok with that said i'd bet money a article was wriitten by someone that blew up his gun using mag-safe. i have no doubt someone at one time used a mag-safe round in a well used armscor 38 spl and now the guns timing is off. or perhaps shot a steady diet of mag-safe in a alloy framed gun and it now rattles like a can of marbles. but if you could provide some type of proof they are unsafe i'd be happy to stop using them and giving out reconmendations.
  9. gyrfalcon

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    I said "potentially" and referenced an article where someone had the case neck brake off in the chamber. Here is another link to someone who had case head failure with .357 SIG magsafe ammunition:

    http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121994

    The ammunition appears to be loaded with high charges. It has also received fairly bad in-depth technical reviews:

    http://www.firearmstactical.com/tacticalbriefs/volume4/number3/article432.htm

    The ammunition is also very expensive compared to other 7.62x25 rounds. I'm pretty sure I would be hard pressed to find any other manufacture that sells a single round of ammo at over $1.97!

    If you're happy with it, more power too you I guess.
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  10. oscarmayer

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    there are no other hollow point ammo to be had for the tokarev. and one reported case failure doesn't make it unsafe. and yes they are loaded hot. lets look at the facts these are not true hollow points they are fragmentation rounds designed to do just as the article you highlighted shows. they are low penetration rounds that dump their energy into it's intended target. they are meant not to over penetrate are are perfect for use in a apartment type complex or a structure with thin walls. they are used in various different hostage situations and by more than one departmant. with lawyers chomping at the bit to sue for reckless actions i highly doubt they would be used by "professionals" are glasers unsafe too ? both these rounds are made to cause the most amount of damage in the shortest possible penetration. of course you're intitled to your opinion but i base my intent to continue to use them on real world applications not sides of beef and one case failure.
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    Are you affiliated with this company in any way? Do you sell magsafe ammuniton? First off it's completely bogus that there are not any other brands of 7.62x25mm hollow-points available. Secondly you're posting in a reloading area where people are generally interested in loading their own ammunition.

    I'm against using any ammunition that claims reduced penetration in a self-defense role. Maybe some SWAT teams are okay wearing body armor, and using frangible ammunition in their automatic weapons when raiding an apartment complex... but if I'm in a self defense situation i would want a round that could penetrate and damage the vital organs of the person I was confronting. I suppose you're one of the folks that thinks .410 birdshot is a good defensive round too?
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    Actually, this is not strictly a reloading forum, you can talk about ammo, in general, as well as talking anything and everything about reloading. Whether he sells 'em or tends to overdo it with telling everything about the ammo, is up to him. I, for one, don't want ta kill li'l Mary after shooting Bad Bob in the chest. (Not that I would fire a high velocity round that over-penetrates.) With that said, JHP, HP and Fragible rounds are great for stopping a typical perp, sometimes dead. Those generally overpriced bb-shots wouldn't work well, for me.
  13. gyrfalcon

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    Agreed on the topic not just being about reloading. If you look at the article I linked to above which is titled "MagSafe Ammunition Demonstrates Inadequate Terminal Performance for General-Purpose Personal Defense Use" it discusses how these rounds are not very great in stopping a perp.

    The discussion over exotic ammo has already been covered by experts here:

    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Exotic_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm
    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm
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    He's got 1800+ posts and ya think he was SPAMMING?????

    I'm all for open discussion and disagreements, but you're something else when it comes to placing your opinion above others.
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  15. gyrfalcon

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    I'm not on AR forums, and I redacted my comment about spamming which was uncalled for. How exactly have I been arrogant? I've disagreed with you about 5.56 vs .223 and it seems you're upset about that.
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    Really??? Are you serious about that? Youre the type of gunowner that blasts the first thing that crawls through your bedroom window with a .44 mag loaded with 300 gr solids at 1300 fps. The very type of gunowner that will kill the baddie and everyone in the next apartment over with your 'rounds that will penetrate and damage the vitals'... Have you ever even shot a gun? A standard velocity .45ACP 230 gr load will penetrate the length of a bulls neck, this I know from experience. A 9mm luger loaded with 115 gr Hp rounds will penetrate through a feral hog, this I know from experience. A .38 special loaded with 148 gr wadcutters at 750 fps will still go through a stray dog, this I know from experience. A gun owner wanting to protect his home with something that will kill the badguy effectively and not the neighbors kids in the process is a responsible gun owner. I want your address so i can be sure never to live near you.... And yes, the .410 shotshell is a quite effective close range home defense round. Thank god i dont know from experience and I hope I never find out, but a 1/2 oz column of birdshot at 1275 fps is basically a highly frangible slug at across the livingroom distance. :rolleyes:
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    I'm completely serious that bird shot is not suitable as a self-defense round. Maybe you just want to piss off people with your self defense rounds and not stop threats? The box o' truth has covered using bird-shot for self-defense if you want to bother reading what they said about it: http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

    I believe you'll see his opinions on bird-shot for self-defense echo my views. Didn't you say something along the lines that you thought it was irresponsible for someone to claim something was safe when it hasn't been proved by a reputable source?
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  18. woolleyworm

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    Well then, lets just hightlight a wee bit of arrogance for you then....... you come in here and write posts from a 24 hand horse ( if you can even figure that one out....)

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  19. gyrfalcon

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    I consider posting in large fonts classless and arrogant, but that's just me. I've linked to plenty of rounds that have a highly proven track record for self-defense. Instead of talking about the Magsafe ammunition itself you have resorted to attacking me for calling him a spammer, and calling my "tone" rude.

    Magsafe ammunition has bird-shot inside of it in an epoxy core which you would have known about if you bothered to read my posts. It's also one of the most expensive (if not the most expensive) round you can fire from a Tokarev which no one here wants to discuss either.

    Generally when someone posts about some super high-performance round that costs over 16 times more than standard military grade 7.62x25 ammunition I think of spammers or someone pushing a bogus product as a knee jerk reaction.
  20. JLA

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    Who the hell said i claimed it was safe? Firing a weapon inside a house is dangerous no matter how you cut it, that should be common sense. I stated that .410 shotshells would be quite effective at close range on a soft target (thats a politically correct term for bad guy). The very thing the 'box o truth' proves to be a 'downfall' to the use of shotshells for self defense I see to be a bonus (i.e the lack of penetration through walls and or floors) But you shoot someone in the face with a 2.5 inch .410 shell loaded with a half ounce of #7.5 shot and they will be badly injured if not dead right there. I dont know how big the average living room is where youre from but round here 10 feet is a long shot. You seem to only post 'facts' or links that support your way of thinking. What about all the self defense columns written by sheriff jim wilson, he praises the use of shotguns for self defense and hes as reputable a source as youre source. The point is the argument is no different than the disagreement between you and i right now. There isnt anything wrong with a healthy debate and discussion but youre presenting your "facts" without an open mind. I find it very classless and distasteful, and IMO, doesnt belong here on TFF. But lucky for you, that isnt my call.

    My apologies Oscarmeyer for the thread drift, Let it not discourage you to post future useful information.
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