Got a call from Wayne Lapierre last night

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by 45nut, Jun 30, 2009.

  1. 45nut

    45nut New Member

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    Looking for money talking about HR 45?? :eek: :confused:

    I thought that bill was lying dead on the floor, so what is the NRA talking about? I checked govtrack.us and the last update they had was in April.

    So WTH is Wayne doing??
  2. mrkirker

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    So WTH is Wayne doing??

    Trolling for Bucks?
  3. 45nut

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    I know how to troll for fish, but how do you kill a deer trolling? :D

    Yeah, I didn't even finish the pre-recorded message.....as if there is any other kind of recorded message. :eek:
  4. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

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    I really get tired of getting the calls and all of the mass mailings looking for money. In my humble opinion, if they would quit sending the millions of letters and making the phone calls, they would have enough money!
  5. mrkirker

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    Know what you mean. I got so tired of the NRA phone calls, the NRA 'disaster of the month/week' solicitation letters, and the constant ‘NRA drum roll of doom’ that I dropped my membership a few years ago. Same with the SCV. I review the candidates and vote accordingly. Takes a bit more effort, though.

    "Pre-recorded message" LOL! Kinda ranks up there with a 'cured ham' eh?
  6. 45nut

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    Cured Ham must have been a marketing phrase meant for city slickers. :eek:
  7. Blackhawk Dave

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    Yes, they troll for money. However, if you send the price of a couple of cups of Starbucks to the NRA, GOA, etc every month, it's well worth it. Don't complain right now, because the alternative is too scary to consider. And it's quite possible.

    Consider that under the Health Care laws, they could attempt to outlaw guns as being harmful and increasing health care costs. Carbon tax ammo out of existance. Or any other number of things just depending on which set of knuckleheads try to issue regulations.
  8. armedandsafe

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    All it takes is an email or a free phone call to NRAILA to get dropped to 2 or 3 contacts per year. It is sad that so few people are willing to pick up the phone or a keyboard.

    Pops
  9. mrkirker

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    Pops, sad that they are not a little more forthcomming 'bout the optin' out option. But, why even "two or three calls" a year?
  10. Southern Boy

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    Well, i guess I dont like telemarketing either, but.. NRA dont call me but I do get 4 or 5 letters a year, I usually give what i can spare. I would not if they did not send the letters."out of sight out of mind" The NRA-ILA spends a lot of money on pro gun lobbying and lawyers so it's worth it to me.In Florida alone they got the Castle doctrine enacted, the 'stand your ground law, and helped alot with concealed carry so I guess I owe them something. Without them I doubt any handguns or "black" rifles would be legal here. I would be willing to bet, if the marketing stopped, so would the money. just one rednecks opinion.
  11. Hardballer

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    OK. For anyone not involved in a non-profit or not for profit; I am, if
    you do not constantly, continually, daily, hourly etc. ad nauseum,
    infinitum, fund raise, guess what? No funds magically show up on your
    door step.

    As a matter of fact, if you are off the radar for any amount of time at
    all, you are out of business. This I know from copious amounts of
    research on the subject and personal efforts in fund-raising.

    Not paying the NRA your dues or the GOA or whatever gun group you
    choose to support; because they contact you for money, is like shooting
    yourself in the foot because your toe hurts.

    I don't care what the excuse you have for not paying; other than food,
    house payment/rent, or you died, they are all a crock. These
    organizations are our only voice with any pull at all in Washington and
    without them, we would be in a far worse place.

    What I want to know is where are the 70 or 80 million gun owners. I am
    tired of carrying them.

    I just duck hunt, it doesn't affect me. Oh heck, I just target shoot, it
    doesn't affect me. I'm just a collector, no worries here. Well DU and the
    rest of these groups have been so silent for so long, nobody hears them
    any more. They have no voice. Unless you want to save a swamp.

    All that great duck hunting land is not worth a damn except to the ducks
    if you can't own a gun.

    Just ask an Australian who had his fine collection destroyed by the powers
    that be.

    You all are going to be a sad bunch of reactors when you finally realize it
    was way too little far too late. Wait and see is fine for growing corn or
    waiting for the rain but it does not work for human rights, civil rights or
    God given rights. Oh and for those of you who don't believe in God, just
    realize the Universe has given you the right to defend yourself by
    whatever means necessary. It is in your DNA. No brain workin' necessary.

    The only thing that will work now is to “act” and act now.

    Please do not waste any pixels on how the NRA doesn't do this or does
    too much of that or whatever. It is a lame excuse to cheap out and let
    the other guy do it. Not a word of it holds a buckets worth of water.

    The next thing I'll hear is how you feel Disenfranchised or disaffected so
    your not paying. Waaaaaa!

    Whatever!

    Speak, write, do!

    P.S. If you are a member of the NRA and can read and write or you can
    manage speaking with little difficulty, you may at your whim or will,
    decide to opt out with nothing more than a phone call or email. This is
    not difficult or hidden. Just requires the barest amount of effort. There's
    the hitch. :D
  12. pickenup

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    Yup!!!
  13. Everybody has their respective buttons, so to speak, and the big red one with me is telemarketers and money solicitors! I am NEVER nice to them; indeed, they tend to evoke language from me that I haven't used since my Army days! :cool: For a while there, I was getting 3-5 calls a week from NRA soliciting money for one thing or another, or trying to sell me Xmas cards or some other stupid thing. I finally told the last one that if I received just one more call from NRA on ANY subject, I would drop my membership immediately. Apparently they listened since I haven't heard from them since, and I am still a member. As for NRA itself, while I believe in the cause they represent with all my heart and soul, I do believe NRA has become far too commercial and money oriented over the last few years. Yes, they are a voice for us--sometimes an effective one--but they are risking that voice by the sheer stridency of their money-making calls aimed at their membership. Just my $.02 worth. ;)
  14. 45nut

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    Yo dude,

    I've been a member for a long time. Got the hat and T-shirt. My (apparently too subtle) point was more along the lines of manufacturing a crisis to raise money. (Never let a good crisis go to waste - Mr. Emanuel) We know that HR45 is as good as dead now, although it will probably come up again in some form or fashion. And while I don't like telemarketers much, for the right causes I endure them.

    Having said that, why didn't the NRA call / write when this was first introduced? GOA sends alerts on current legislation as needed. The NRA has done and will do a lot of good, although I am not a fan of some of their compromises unlike GOA. I support both because we can't afford not to.

    Peace
  15. mrkirker

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    As for NRA itself, while I believe in the cause they represent with all my heart and soul, I do believe NRA has become far too commercial and money oriented over the last few years. Yes, they are a voice for us--sometimes an effective one--but they are risking that voice by the sheer stridency of their money-making calls aimed at their membership.

    Well said!

    Additionally; What's with the notion that if one doesn't belong to one of these money-grubbing groups, that one somehow is incapable of voicing an opinion to an elected official? That's 'money grubber' propaganda. Perhaps I am the exception, but I manage to contact and track my reps regarding their voting record.
  16. Hardballer

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    Please see above. #11

    This is the one I love to hear. When you get tired of receiving a form
    letter in return sent by some 26 year aid old who probably didn't read it
    anyway, you'll understand why an organization with 5 million plus members
    has some pull.

    Remember the old, very old saying, Ibi victoria, ubi concordia (United we
    stand, divided we fall!)? That saying exists for a reason. It is true.
    Remember? Divide and conquer?

    Granted, you may be an exceptional human being but you do stand
    alone. Money grubbers or not, we need the power of the people united.

    No. I do not believe your voice can be heard or appreciated by any
    elected official. Especially those who already think you are the enemy.
    Just how naive does one need to be to believe that?

    If your voice is heard, your not being counted. It is simply a tick on a
    white board. or a notation of agreement or decent in some computer.
    Ignored if you don't happen to agree with the sitting Representative.

    Over 15 elected representatives recently on various issues, stabbed us
    collectively in our backs. Think. Did your voice mean anything to them.
    You have no power. No voice. No authority. Nothing as an individual.
    The same was true more than 200 years ago, perhaps more so today.

    Conyers showed us all what money and power can do. See ACORN
    investigation. Oh, I mean what investigation.

    I am ashamed to say that there are 80 million gun owners in this country
    and only 4-5 million are members of the NRA or far fewer, the GOA. If
    you fall into this group, you are clearly independent and you have that
    right but we may all fall because of people like you. I for one do not want
    to be alone with my back against the wall!!!

    The NRA or GOA is not just three guys with hats. This money gets used
    to do a job in a world where money talks. Don't you see the power we
    have together, every gun owner standing side to side? 80 million gun
    owners shouting different things at different times is a whisper compared
    to 80 million gun owners shouting one thing at the same time. The roar
    would be deafening. That's how it's done!

    I hope you and those like you wake up before you and your single voice
    ruin it for the rest of us. Stand with us and we all win, stand alone and
    we all lose. I welcome you to stand with me by joining the NRA or GOA.

    Just IMHO.:mad: Speak,

    Write, Do!
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  17. DebS

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    Truer words were never spoken. I studied and voted for candidates that did not win. I have written hundreds of letters sent via email and snail mail that have all gone unanswered or form lettered. I spend hours a day on research and over a thousand dollars so far this year alone on everything from membership fees, contributions, phone calls all the way down to envelopes and stamps.

    Yes, if you want your Rights, join those of us that contribute. I'm tired of contributing while there are those of us that make excuses for why they can't or won't join/contribute/participate. I recommend joining/contributing the NRA-ILA which was created just for legislative purposes only. I would also recommend the Second Amendment Foundation as a solid, highly litigious group that is getting their attention. But it too, can only survive with our contributions.

    I am only one person and can only work so hard and spend so much money on preserving our rights. I can't do it alone.
  18. pickenup

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    General question, aimed at no one in particular.

    Are you a veteran?
    Do you know a vet?

    Did you ask the NRA why they SUPPORTED
    the Veterans Disarmament Act?

    When every PRO-gun group,
    as well as veterans organizations OPPOSED it!!!

    IF you asked them why, did you get an answer?

    I asked, no answer. :mad:
  19. 45nut

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    My point exactly pickenup.
  20. Bobitis

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    My take on the NRA.
    They need to cut their overhead.
    They spend far too much money begging for money.
    Printing is expensive. Postage is expensive. That BIG AZZ glitzy office is expensive.

    http://www.graphicnet.net/photo/nra-headquarters

    How many people do they need to employ?
    How much money do they spend galavanting around the country side at the members expense? Wish I could afford Waynes suits and collect his frequent flyer miles.

    IMHO, the NRA has long gone by the wayside as a grass roots organization.
    They are a political organization with all the trademarks thereof.

    Do they do good work? Yes.
    Could they do better? HELL yes.

    Maybe they should appoint a committee to examine how to better serve the members.:rolleyes:
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