Grammar and Activism...

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by ponycar17, Jul 15, 2012.

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  1. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    South Carolina
    It may be old hat to some but people actually take your opinions more seriously when grammatically correct posts are made. Thanks! :D
  2. raven818

    raven818 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2011
    Jax, Fl.
    How about looking at it from a different viewpoint? Not everyone is graced with the ability to create posts in a way that would guarantee them a Plus 1, from a high school teacher. Right?

    To openly criticize folks because of their inability to create a post that is grammatically correct, may discourage others from posting all together.

    If the person reading a post has even a minimal amount of education, comprehending the content shouldn't be an issue.
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  3. redwing carson

    redwing carson Former Guest

    Dec 11, 2010
    western wyoming
    I am sure you never liked reading Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. I wonder how many great books would have never been writen if perfect grammer were the rule? I am glad Mark Twain could speak on any mans level. It is not always how you talk. It more about what you have to say.;)
  4. armoredman

    armoredman Active Member

    I read Huck Finn and several other of Sam Clemens' fine works. They are quite readable. Shakespeare, on the other hand, is a bear to digest.
    The posts that use texting short hand " ur R gr8!", or where words are misspelled that would fail a 5th grade spelling test, then the poster, no matter the true content of his work, may be dismissed out of hand as uneducated and ignorant. Of course, many an "ignorant" farmer or such can have a wealth of knowledge to share.
    One way that can help is to point out the use of spell checking programs, where misspelled words like up as red underlined.
    I don't denigrate posters who do not show perfect grammar and punctuation - some grew up under or live in areas where English may be a second or third language.
  5. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    I agree that it should be more about what you have to say, but on the other hand, if what you say cannot be deciphered, what you have to say is irrelevant.

    There was a guy over on the cowboy wire that wrote one long sentence with no capitals, and misspelled about 2/3 of the words. Someone asked him why he did that, and he replied that "real cowboys wrote like that". It got to the point that whenever I saw Jody had made a post I just skipped it. Too hard to read.

    Then one day someone posted, in response to one of his, "Am I the only one that skips everything Jody writes because it is a PITA to try to understand?"

    Got about 30 responses saying "Yep, I do".

    He started writing in English.

    There is (or was) a guy on here that writes in "textspeak". I don't read his posts. When I'm reading a thread, and come to one of his posts, I just skip it. It is too difficult to try to figure out what he is saying.

    So, all you people that want to type messages like "i cin do whtevr i want, n-e-way i want, an u cant tell me whut to do", go right ahead. Just realize that it makes you look like a total moron, and many people will not even bother attempting to decipher what it is you mean.
  6. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    If you can't speak, read, or write, the English language, or do so poorly, how do you communicate a thought, a desire, or a wish? I am a believer in the fact that if you can't read, or write, then you don't have much to base an education on.
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  7. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    hmmm i dunno , but then i'm probably the most grammatically incorrect here
  8. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Yeah, but we make an exception with you! After all, you are from Down Under! :D While you may not talk, or write, the way we do, there is little doubt as to your intelligence, or education! Most of us jump at a chance to read one of your posts! And thanks for the kit you donated for the TFF MO #1 shoot! That was great!
  9. raven818

    raven818 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2011
    Jax, Fl.
    And nobody cares. Point made.
  10. hstout1143

    hstout1143 Well-Known Member

    Jan 3, 2012
    There, their, they're. Go easy on us, were not all edumicated, but we are still entitled to express our thoughts and ideas. I have only seen a few posts that I couldn't understand what they were trying to say and I will defend everyone's right to express their ideas.
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  11. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    not no body cares , some do

    some folks wont listen to me because i have bad teeth , serious

    the media points out i dont wear suits to these debates , or lectures

    and i'm supposedly less because of it

    i've been called a lot of names because of looks , big eared galoot

    wild eyed racist

    all depends on the message i'm trying to get across

    but every time how i look or how i talk is way more important than the message i bring , in fact folks say the message is worthless because i dont have all my teeth or such

    John the baptist had the same hassle folks told others not to listen to him as he was wild and did not dress correctly so the message had to be wrong

    folks do care they care enough to edit me and dismiss me on petty basis's

    as for typeing good here , you see what i wrirte here , but i spend the least ammount of time on TFF than on other sites

    and i'm writing there as well

    my PC says i average 150,000 characters a day maybe 15,000-25,000 here

    so with all this typeing can i ask with my two fingers that i use punctuation what do you prefer ?
    if i am to get into typeing correctly should i not type using correct english and not US english or should i use a ubonic style which is Politically correct or should i go SMS style which i am advised by your government is acceptable for all communications including court reporting

    my first post here if someone wishes to check folks told me the same thing

    not one has offered to help me do what i do

    but a lot have told me my message is invalid cause it not up to their personal standards

    so its simple , i cannot please every one

    so i'll please myself , i'll get my message out and despite it not being up to personal standards of some , continue to try to wake folks up to what important

    that someone wants to subvert your nation and way of life

    (but my typings more important?? pleeeeese)

    maybe its better i just shut up , see before i was on about these mutts socialists and such no one cared about how i wrote or typed its only when i show the truth does it matter and it only matters to those who say my message does not matter cause i dont talk like others or what ever

    amazing whats important to folks eh ??

    i remember pulling a kid out of a collapsed and burning building in east timor

    and the jounalist did the whole bit on how some aussie soldier forced Christian prayers on a kid

    nothing about the kid being half burned to deeath or the muslims who did it deliberatly to cover that the kid had been a sex slave

    no that was not important what was important was i prayed with the kid before she died

    how evil am i ?

    s'ok used to it

    i'm a wild eyed racist and hate filled extremist

    even my own Prime minister says so

    i tell ya what i'll spell check and grammar check every post and we'll execute those who make mistakes eh ??

    whoops me posts has got a error some one shoot me please ...
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  12. raven818

    raven818 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 3, 2011
    Jax, Fl.
    When I first responded to the OP, I knew without a doubt, you'd wind up in the middle of this, and I can't say what I would like to say and expect my post to remain.

    But, I know well you would never allow anyone to change you into something you are not. The Force is with you.

    Dag nab it Luke, I gotta stop here. :mad:
  13. 1LoneWolf75

    1LoneWolf75 Active Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    Farson WY
    I type the way I talk and so I don't think 'bout it. Just the way I am. My wife is from a big city married 8 years and she still laughs at how I talk. Most people can understand me and if I get real riled up it gets even worse.(although not as bad as my dad who most people couldn't understand with his accent(sp?)). So you want to judge by how someone talks then does that make you a better person? So what if I don't speak perfect english? Are my thoughts and points of view any less then yers? Are yer opinions(sp?) better than mine? Now if I question my own spellin feel free to correct me thats how people learn. Also text speak is way to confusin to try to figure out. I always have to ask what the heck they are sayin.
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  14. ponycar17

    ponycar17 Active Member

    Feb 17, 2005
    South Carolina
    1LoneWolf75, I regularly type like I talk. You did an excellent job of invoking dialect in your post and I don't much care about that. That shows that some thought went into your post.

    what i don't care for is something like this that has no inflection nor punctuation and goes as the common way of thinking on this forum because thats the way a few people choose to express their ideas and then folk can look at this and say, "See, I told you!!!!!!" ;)

    Really, people read this and develop an opinion. If I was a kid just learning the art of grammar and compelling speech I would quickly discount those that treat the English language and its variants akin to a dish rag.
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2012
  15. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    s'ok when i do these talk in public or go against the islamist , i get very few well dones that dont come with how "you should have done this or that" but folks wont take the lead or stand up in public

    so i'm it .. folks will always tell me how i should have done things but none will ever stand up or take my place even when i ask em as they all say "No way , they'll kill me !!"

    and i gotta admit they are right

    the amount of attempts at getting me is a worry

    the amount of times they've failed , is funny

    but its ok , everyone will tell me i should do things the way they say

    just few will ever do it themselves

    thats life . you get used to it after 30 years

    you should have seen it 1980 or so when i stated that the people of islam we bring in will lead the crime scene here

    i was called all sorts of things but by 1988 islamic's lead the crime rates through the roof

    i remember when i first told a US based gun forum that obama was not a Christian that he was a muslim and trained as a muslim in indonesia

    i was told obama had never been to indo and banned

    the folks who go outta there way to correct me on these items , just want me to bow to there ways
    you must do this the way I say

    i'll do so the day they get up in front and preach as i do ..

    as by their deeds shall ye know them

    but until then its the blind leading the blind .. ;)

    now where my cane ??
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