Gun Show oddities and infuriations.

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Pat Hurley, Jun 23, 2007.

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People who dress up as Nazi/SS agents at gun shows...

  1. should be taken outside and have their asses roundly kicked

    21 vote(s)
    47.7%
  2. are just lovers of history who want only to celebrate history's most colorful figures. Let 'em in!

    3 vote(s)
    6.8%
  3. should not be allowed to come in by management, nor be allowed to erect a Nazi booth

    19 vote(s)
    43.2%
  4. are important members of our gun culture, even if they're "OFF" a little bit. Leave 'em alone!

    1 vote(s)
    2.3%
  1. Pat Hurley

    Pat Hurley Former Guest

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    Does anyone else think it's over-the-top, in poor taste, or worth an ass kicking, for people to dress up in Nazi/SS garb and walk around gun shows? Or how about those that erect Hitler booths dedicated to paintings, books, and other Nazi heirlooms?

    I saw one today. I was tempted to tell him to get a f****** life and read some history books. Knowing that SoMo wouldn't approve, I held my tongue. But I did have to try to explain it to my 11 year old. Not fun.

    My boss (the CEO) is Jewish. I've wanted to take him to one of the local gun shows. But, he shouldn't have this crap thrown in his face.

    I think these kinds of people bring disrepute on our gun culture. Yet, they seem welcomed and celebrated. :mad:
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  2. Marlin

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    If one restricts them or invites them to leave, they will most likely run to the ACLU and file a civil rights suit with a First Amendment pleading included. It would serve just to give them a front page exposure.
  3. bunnyhunter12

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    They should not be discriminated against in an official way which would give them a reason to claim suit. I did vote for the severe parking lot beating though. I was once in to the "punk rock scene" and you get exposed to a lot of Neo_Nazi BS in that world. We usually went with the parking lot plan back then too.


    Brief sidenote, I'm not talking about Skinheads here, I'm talking about Boneheads. Skinheads are not now necessarily and were not at all originaly racially motivated. Today there are groups like SHARP (skinheads against racial prejudice) and ARA-Skins (anti racial action -skinheads) that try to remove the Nazi conotations from the word SKINHEAD.
  4. polishshooter

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    I voted with my heart and not my head.

    As a student of History, I have to admit an illogical prejudice, or two.

    I really do not like Germans or Japanese.:eek:

    Don't get me wrong, I LOVE German-Americans and Japanese-Americans as much as anybody, and also respect the contributions of the Nisei, and the 442nd, and the many Germans who fought for the Allies with distinction.


    But what I mean is the mindset...the German people who still don't "get it." Who are more upset Hitler LOST the war than what he really meant to Germany. The
    "revered" German "Officer Corps" who talk a GREAT game about "Honor" and yet backed Hitler to the hilt as long as he was WINNING...:(

    The Japanese who have learned a warped history of WWII in school, many who truly blame FDR and the Americans for "forcing" them into war, the ones who come to visit Pearl Harbor and laugh and take pictures celebrating a VICTORY.

    And in this vein, I do not like 'Americans" that don't get it either, whether I see a skinhead (sorry Bunny) with a swastika tattoo, or are Holocaust deniers, OR even a young farmer boy with Ohio or Indiana plates on his truck and a Confederate Flag on the back window because he thinks it makes him look cool to his equally ignorant buddies...


    Now COLLECTORS of Nazi stuff don't bother me...but some people who try to "live" it...I want to smack upside the head....:cool:
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  5. I couldn't have said it better myself, Polish. There is nothing "romantic." or even rational about Naziism, and indeed there never was. Hitler and the Nazi movement as subjects of historical study, are fascinating, but then, so are poisonous snakes and spiders. Those of today who would advocate the resuscitatation that infamous regime are either fools or wannabe terrorists.
  6. KING64

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    This thread goes along with some of my complaints, or dislikes, about some exhibitors or members and the paraphernalia and goods they display at the gun shows. Certainly, I am for the 1st Amendment but some of the crap and printed material I have seen at my local gun shows do pro-gunners no favor. We have a hard enough time fighting off the anti-gunners without giving them more fodder with which to use against us. Believe me, anti-gun organizations do have members lurking about the gun shows just to find more negative material to use in their arsenal.
  7. lohki13

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    Swift @ss kicking is what they deserve. But worse yet are these people on this board http://www.resistance.com/ talking about how they think the national socialist group should try to one day turn America into Hitlers dream .I got showed this site by someone i thought was my friend because he thought i was a Neo Nazi (i just don't like welfare mongers,Mexican illegals,and Mexican Americans who won't learn english.
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    I hear you Pirate. Some years back I saw a book booth with books on poaching (vol. 1,2) and boobytraps. The vendor didn't ask my opinion, but I think he could read me loud and clear after I shoved his books back down in the rack and left.
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    Unless you are at a Costume party, Play dress up Nazi @ Home & don't go outside. That is just hateful behavior. :(
  10. JohnK3

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    If it's not a government-sponsored gun show (is there such a thing?) then the organizers have every right to exclude who they wish based upon any criteria, even "I don't like Nazi pretenders, so they can't play dress up at my gun show."

    ACLU don't even enter into it, then.
  11. MRMIKE08075

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    its a valid area of collection...

    its a valid area of interest...

    its a valid area to invest in...

    and who among us does not have some secret but harmless fascination with Nazi's, the 3rd riech, and all that goes with it???

    and re-enactors who investigate this avenue are OK with me...

    but the fringe waco's who dress up like there favorite nazi's, who secretly support the more dark aspects of there creed, who display there ZYCLON-B canisters, human flesh lampshades, and somehow wish the ride had never ended are truley vile and lack moral charachter...

    collection, trade, sale, display, reference works, historical intrest all valid.

    born again wannabee's not.

    JMHO.

    best regards, mike.
  12. Pat Hurley

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    Of course, you'll eloquently explain to my Jewish boss that his anger, his vitriol, his disgust, and his feelings of being unwelcomed at being confronted with this viscious and vile crap are an overreaction. If he wants to take a swing at an SS clad Nazi-wannabe, should he be condemned and branded a hypersensitive fool?

    In a place where the genereal public are invited to come and peruse weapons for sale, don't you think it even slightly out of bounds for people to share their love of Nazi memoribilia, Hitler paintings, and SS keepsakes? Isn't it just a tad sick?

    What's next? Pol Pot, Uncle Joe Stahlin, and Edi Amin memorials?

    Sorry Mike; can't support you on this one. Not even a little bit. Gun shows should be fun for the whole family... Christian OR JEW! Take the Nazi nonsense to Skokie.

    I say kick their asses, and then drag them behind a spooked horse for a mile or three.
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  13. southernshooter

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    As long as the NAACP force black supremacy down our throats with their propaganda and marches, and the mexicans force their way of life down our throats with protests, and marches, I think the have just as much of a right to walk around as any of the above
    But I have always been told I ain't right
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    I voted the way I feel and don't have to explain it to anyone.
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    Was someone pressuring you to confess, Berto? Or is it pangs of a guilty conscience talking?
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    The thing that really infuriates me about the Gun Shows now is they arent any cheaper on ammo or Firearms then even the internet is. That was their whole appeal to me before was the great deals you could find. As for the Hitler booths I just dont understand the comparison to people like myself and the majority of firearms enthusist also in attendence having any interest whatsoever with Nazi's. Myself and Most of the people I know who attend shows are not impressed with Nazi Germany because we kicked their asses in WWII. Also most people who attend Gun Shows are big time Patriot flag waving Americans and nothing in the Nazi doctrine that I know of even closely resembles freedom or anything real americans would relate to with the Nazi's. Germany is a beautiful country and they make fabuleous firearms and automobiles but the two things they should be ashamed of most is Adolf Hitler and the absence of deodorant worn by their hairy armpitted women.
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    I'm not into fruitcakes running around in uniforms myself. It's not really anyones right to determine what is ok for anyone else. The guys got a better chance of getting stomped looking like that.

    If you want to get high and mighty about what can and can't be displayed fine. If that's the case no militaria of any type since there has never been a military which was not some form of oppressor. And absolutely no military firearms.

    I deal in the crap from time to time and I know other Jews that look for it for personal collections. Get your panties unwadded and join the sensible world.
  18. bunnyhunter12

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    Patrol, must take issue with some of your words. My first issue is that there is nothing wrong with collecting Nazi memorobilia, I have had my eyes out for a good deal on a Waffen SS marked helmet to add to my collection for years.

    Many of the people who collect this type of historical object merely want to complete a collection. How can you compile a complete collection of WWII helmets, bayonets or cigarette lighters without having a few with the swastika on them?

    Second issue; We all know, accept and vehemently argue that Hitler and his Nazi party were wrong in darn near every idea they had, but you do not have to buy in to the party line to collect the gear.

    Third issue; I think that you are thinking of the french, all of the German women I know smell very sweetly, are VERY beautiful (if you can find one of the rarer brunettes, just my opinion, not a fan of blondes) and none of them have hairy armpits. Unless they're damn stinking hippies but there are many North American varieties of hippy as well. Can't remember who has this quote from Eric Cartman in their signature, "Hippies say they want to save the world but all they do is smoke pot and smell bad"

    Fourth issue; the Germans ARE ashamed of their past, it is illegal to display, buy or sell anything with the swastika on it in Germany. This is a touchy issue since SO MANY movies and video games are based on the war and the Germans are always the evil, vile enemy. I spent some time in Frankfurt, Munich and Dresden in early 2001 and the concentration camps are preserved in a "never let it happen again" attitude. Aside; I toured the concentration camps to see where my great uncle got that number tatooed on his wrist. I have NO, ZERO, NONE OF ANY KIND, love or respect for the Nazis.

    I think where we must draw the line is with these people who collect Nazi memorobilia to re-create their dream world of serving for the third Reich. It is okay with me if a guy sets up a booth selling Nazi gear at shows, I'll probably swing by and see what he has to offer, UNLESS I see an armband and jack-boots, then we're going out by the dumpsters and I'm going to crease his skull with a reproduction Erwin Rommel Field Marshall's Staff.
  19. polishshooter

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    Overall, what this thread shows is something good...that National Socialism as practiced by the Bavarian madman and his chronies STILL strikes a negative chord in anyone who remembers, but more importantly people that may NOT remember, but have studied History and know the truth.

    But what we must forever guard against is the "It wasn't so bad...and after all the trains DID run on time and it was all just the fault of the Versailles Treaty anyway" apologists and Holocaust deniers....

    ...and when I read about the rise in Anti-Semitism all over Europe, ESPECIALLY in Germany (!) recently, and then see David Duke getting invited to the Iranian sponsored "Discussions on the Holocaust," and even on THIS FORUM, not more than a year or so ago, people spouting the tripe that "The Holocaust COULDN'T have happened..." because of some specious Demographic studies and whacko Nazi propaganda, some of it RECENT from HERE in the states, and the like...


    ...and couple it with the fact that NOW in most High School "Social Studies" texts you are lucky to find more than a couple of PAGES devoted to World War II in total, much LESS Adolf Hitler....


    ....I realize that we ALL have a job to do, keeping the TRUTH alive, educating our children and our childrens children, and that the battle against Evil, and specifically THIS Evil is one that will NEVER end....
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  20. Sackett

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    Good one Polish. I think you're reiterating what I tried to say on another post. What are we transferring to the children? What is more important than that?
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