H&R 410-44

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  1. garshe

    garshe New Member

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    I'm sorry if this is not in correct section but looking to find out what year this gun is. It is a Harrington&Richardson 410-44. It has 410-44 on top of barell it is a single shot break open gun has Harrington&Richardson Arms Co Worcester Mass.USA pat.Feb 27 1900 serial#A33741. It doesnt look like the barrel has any rifling on the inside so not sure what the 44 means. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
  2. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    H&R marked their small frame model 1915 410-44 between 1916 and 1921. the 44 stand for 44 caliber shot cartridge.

    MODEL 1915-------------------------------------------------1916-1942
    Single Barrel, Small Size Frame, Top Lever Break Action, Barrel Lock is Non-Self Adjustable, Three Piece Take Down (Non-Removable Hinge Pin), Available as Ejector & Non-ejector, 24, 28, 12mm, 14mm Gauges and 410-44, 45 Shot chambering, barrel Length 26,28, & 30 inches, Walnut Pistol Griped Butt-Stock Fore-Arm, Hard Rubber Butt Plate, Frame is Case Hardened and Barrel is Browned, Weight 4 to 4¾ Pounds.
    The 410 Bore can be dated by its markings,
    410-44=1916-1921,
    410-12MM=1922-1936
    410= 1937-1941 (this is the only 410 Pre WWII chambered for the 3 inch shell
    First Variation identifying features- Slim and Short Fore-Arm----1916-1921
    Second Variation identifying features-Long Forearm, Squared off Pistol Grip, 45 caliber dropped-----1922-1930
    Third Variation identifying features- Now Known as the Model No.5 Standard (which may be marked on the frame)-----1931-1936
    Fourth Variation identifying features- 410 is chambered for 3 inch shells ---1937-1942
    This Model was made available to the Mail-Order Trade as a Brand Name Shotgun
    VALUE: 100%=$365 60%=$155

    bill
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  3. garshe

    garshe New Member

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    Thank you for the information that has been very helpful.
  4. eligbl1

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    b.goforth, thank you for the information. I also have a H&R marked 410 44 on the barrel. It is a rifled barrel and shows serial 4162. Question I have. Is the barrel strong enough to withstand today's higher velocity gunpowder, or should there be lighter loads used when shooting .44 ammunition through this gun? Thanks, Doug...
  5. hrf

    hrf Active Member

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    Welcome to the forum Doug, but sadly Bill Goforth passed away early last year.

    And your gun was designed for 2-1/2" .410 and .44 XL shotshells, and should not be rifled, so do not fire it with with .44-40 or other rifle or handgun ammo!
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  6. eligbl1

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    Thanks hrf. Sorry to hear of Bill's passing.

    I'll check the barrel again, but I am sure I see rifling in it. The serials match between the barrel and the action, so I'm a little confused on what the gun really is. Is there a way to confirm that serial 4162 is a model 1915? It clearly says '410 44 CALIBER' on the barrel.

    I'm a ways away from firing. Over time the trigger seems to be a little touchy and I want to tighten that up first. I will heed your advise on the rifle/handgun ammo and not try it.
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    The 44 designation on these was for the old .44 XL shot cartridges and .44 Game Getter cartridge loaded with a round ball, both based on the .44-40 cartridge case. Is there any sign that the barrel may have been relined? Will it chamber a .410 shell?

    I'm not familiar enough with H&R shotguns to confirm the model number, and unfortunately H&R expert Jim Hauff is presently not available.
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  8. Jim Hauff

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    Eligble1.
    Just getting back up to speed - Welcome.
    HRF has given you sage advice on the ammo to use in that gun. With that low serial number it is a very early (probably 1915 or early 1916.) Many of those older Model 1915s were alternately made with fluid or twist steel barrels and made to handle black powder or "mixed black/low pressure smokeless" (look up "LESMOK" cartridges). Those 2 1/2" shot shells made back then were roll- crimped paper and opened properly in the short chamber - not like the new petal leaf plastics. I personally wouldn't shoot it with factory ammo of any kind. Nice collectible. If there are threads or rifling visible inside the barrel the chances are the barrel integrity is already compromised.. Check the pics for ID and some info.

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  9. jamesjo

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    Jim,
    Great to see you posting!!!!!
    Hope all is well.
    We have already noticed your absence, don't let it happen again dammit!
    Jim
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    Jim,
    Going back in next week. Couldn't resist getting on here for an hour or two - can't type for sh..t - nice to see everyone is still behaving - no muff guns?????????
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    We will try and carry on, ( without giving too much bogus information out! )
    Take care of yourself.
    Hope and pray everything turns out well!!
    Jim

    PS I have a buddy at the auction with the 10 Gauge SXS I told you about.
    Haven't heard if I bought it yet.
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