H & R Arms Company 32 cal pistol

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  1. Iowa Gal

    Iowa Gal New Member

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    Was wondering about a pistol that was given to me.
    H & R Arms pistol, 5 shot, with serial # 107401.
    It is about 5 1/2 inches in length overall and has 1 1/2 inch octagon shaped barrel.
    The first flat plane has the sight, then going to the left next area it says H& R Arms Company, underneath that, Worcester, Mass. U.S.A.
    On next flat area it has 32 ( several strike outs) fire.
    On the top, over the cylinder it says Young America & beneath that.. Bull Dog.
    It looks to be in mint condition and was told it never has been fired. So am wondering if one uses modern ammo or a black powder charge if I decide to fire it.
  2. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    It is a post 1904 Young America (as named) and was chambered for the .32 RIM FIRE Long cartridge (that strike out area on the barrel should read: 32 RIM FIRE CTGE.) H&R used the designation "Bull Dog" only on their .32 or .38 Rim Fire revolvers - American Double Action (larger frame) and Young America Double Action (medium frame.)
    It is a 2nd Model.
    Bill G. should be along soon to give you all the particulars.
  3. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    the young american bull dog was a variation of the american double action model. they were produced between 1884 and 1941. this is a second model introduced in 1904. the bull dog models were serial numbered in the same series as the regular models. after 1923 the bull dog model was taken out of the catalogs and the 32 rimfire became just another caliber this model was offered in. i am unsure if this model continued to be marked bull dog after 1923. just not enough of them have shown up.

    YOUNG AMERICA DOUBLE ACTION SECOND MODEL MEDIUM FRAME
    .32 S&W CALIBER-------------------------------------- 1905-1941
    5 shot cylinder capacity, pull pin cylinder release, Nickel finish, blue optional 2, 4½ & 6 inch barrel lengths, will have caliber and company name & address marked on side of barrel, Top strap will be marked “YOUNG AMERICA DOUBLE ACTION” or “YOUNG AMERICAN DOUBLE ACTION”. After 1930 listed in catalogs as; YOUNG AMERICA No. 73 DOUBLE ACTION .32 Rimfire short 5 shot and YOUNG AMERICA No. 74 DOUBLE ACTION .32 S&W 5 shot
    VALUE: 100%=$225 60%=$65
    For all Young America Double Action variations and variants add 15% premium for blue finish and 10% premium for 4½” or 6” barrels.

    YOUNG AMERICA BULLDOG, MEDIUM FRAME SECOND MODEL
    (only advertised as a separate model until 1923)-----1905-1923
    VALUE: 100%=$225 60%=$75

    the 32 rimfire caliber is not converted to 32 S&W caliber because of the location of the firing pin and there is a dfference in the cylinders.
    bill
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2010
  4. Iowa Gal

    Iowa Gal New Member

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    This is a single action where you have to cock the hammer before you can fire. The top strap has only Young America Bull Dog on it.
  5. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    These were originally "traditional" Double Action - both SA and DA - if yours works only in SA, part of the action is broken. The H&R action was set-up in such a way that if one part broke it would still function.
  6. Kirk 1898

    Kirk 1898 New Member

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    If it is a Young American Second model it takes modern 32 S&W, if you they were made from 1904 to 1941. The early model takes a the 32 Rimfire a BP cartridge that isn't made anymore if you look on line you will find the name of some people that make a modern case with an offset primer for old rimfires so they can be shot. You load the cartridge and set the small lead bullet with a die. They work great if you want to go that root. I am looking for something similar from the OWS for my 25-25 Stevens not made in the US since 1940. Made in Canada though since.
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