H&R double barrel hammer gun marked 44 cal

Discussion in 'Technical Questions & Information' started by itech, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. itech

    itech New Member

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    A good friend has an old H&R double barrel with side hammers. It mimics a small 410 shotgun.The forend and wrist area have checkering. The only markings are the caliber 44 on the top flat between the barrels, a patent date of "00 which I assume to be 1900, and the H&R logo on the left lock plate. The barrels are both in very good shape and smooth bore. It locks up tight. The left barrel seems to be "choked " tighter than the right. A 44 mag round will chamber in both barrels. Was this gun made to shoot some kind of an early snake shot load or am I way off base on this guess. My search in all of my books shows no reference to anything close to this weapon. Any help identifying and pricing it would be appreciated.
  2. Bill DeShivs

    Bill DeShivs Well-Known Member

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    The .410 shotshell was developed from the .44 XL shot cartridge. This is what your gun is chambered for. Keep the .44 magnum far, far away from it!
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    Bill hit it directly on the head. Chambered for the 44XL Which I believe is the direct forerunner of the 410. The 44XL was a brass cartridge 1 9/16 long. As the .410 was derived from the 44XL. it itself was derived from the .44 caliber rifle cartridge. As stated, the shotgun frame of the 44XL is not strong enough for a center fire solid cartridge. There have been severals post on the Xl, you might try the forums search feature to pull them up.Both Bill Goforth and Jim Hauff posted some very good information on these guns.
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  4. itech

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    thanks very much to both Bill DeShivs and RJay for your help. I will forward the info to my friend - especially the warning about the 44mag ammo never being used. My research will continue thanks to both of your tips. P.S. I found a page in my blue book after my original posting that calls it a Small Bore double Barrel Hammer gun but makes no mention of the 44 chambering. Thanks again -
    itech
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