H&R FOLDING .410 "SMALL FRAME" LIGHTWEIGHT MODEL

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  1. BigfootISalive

    BigfootISalive New Member

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    Hi,

    I have an H&R folding .410. I've read the post which gives values for the folding model, and the lightweight model, but I never saw a value for the "small frame" lightweight model. The gun I have is in pristine condition, and the serial number is 3207. From what I understand, the small frame model is more collectible and more valuable than the others. Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks
  2. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    the small frame is what H&R called the lightweight folding shotgun. there were only two basic weights for this model the standard frame and the small frame called lightweight in the catalogs. any of the folding models would be considered collectible as all are limited production and the small frame liightweight models will most likely bring a little more because most small bore shotgun generally with bring a little more that the larger bores.
    bill
  3. BigfootISalive

    BigfootISalive New Member

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    Thanks for the clarification. Does the serial number have anything to do with value as well; i.e. lower numbers=earlier production?
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    b.goforth New Member

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    in the case of the H&R folding model that is limited in production i do not believe a low serial number would help value as the values are already more because of the limited production.

    small frame MODEL 1915-----------------------------------------------1916-1942
    Single Barrel, Small Size Frame, Top Lever Break Action, Barrel Lock is Non-Self Adjustable, Three Piece Take Down (Non-Removable Hinge Pin), Available as Ejector & Non-ejector, 24, 28, 12mm, 14mm Gauges and 410-44, 45 Shot chambering, barrel Length 26,28, & 30 inches, Walnut Pistol Griped Butt-Stock Fore-Arm, Hard Rubber Butt Plate, Frame is Case Hardened and Barrel is Browned, Weight 4 to 4¾ Pounds. The 410 Bore can be Dated by its markings, 410-44=1916-1921, 410-12MM=1922-1936 and 410+1937-1941 (this is the only 410 Pre WWII chambered for the 3 inch shell
    First Variation identifying features- Slim and Short Fore-Arm-------1916-1921
    Second Variation identifying features-Long Forearm, Squared off Pistol Grip, 45 caliber dropped----1922-1930
    Third Variation identifying features- Now Known as the Model No.5 Standard (which may be marked on the frame----1931-1936
    Fourth Variation identifying features- 410 is chambered for 3 inch shells-----------1937-1942
    This Model was made available to the Mail-Order Trade as a Brand Name Shotgun
    VALUE: 100%=$365 60%=$155


    H&R FOLDING MODEL LIGHTWEIGHT(small frame)--------------------1925-1942
    Single Barrel, Small Size Frame, Top Lever Break Action, Barrel Lock is Non-Self Adjustable, Non Take Down, 28, 14mm Gauges & 410-12mm Bore, Barrel Length 22 inches, Walnut Pistol Griped Butt-Stock and Forearm, Hard Rubber Butt Plate, Frame is Case Hardened and Barrel is Blue, Available as Non-ejector Only, Weight 5¾ to 6½ Pounds, 410 Bore not available in 3 inch chamber until after 1937
    After 1931 Known as NO. 4 FOLDING LIGHTWEIGHT MODEL
    VALUE: 100%=$395 60%=$175 (seldom seen)

    bill
    Last edited: Aug 25, 2009
  5. BigfootISalive

    BigfootISalive New Member

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    Thanks so much for all of the information. The gun has been in the family for a long time (it was my great grandfather's pheasant gun) and I grew up shooting skeet with it. As much as it seems like it should be so so valuable, I guess that most of it resides sentimentally.
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