H&R name-that-model

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  1. albsure

    albsure New Member

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    Hello,

    I'm hoping this revolver can shoot modern ammo, would like to keep it to teach my kids how to shoot. This is an H&R 5-shot, short barrel revolver with auto-discharge. Absolutely no markings except for top of barrel, which is just H&R logo and a patent statement.

    Can someone name the model?
    Can it shoot modern .38 ammo?
    Value?

    Thanks!!!

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  2. woolleyworm

    woolleyworm Active Member

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    Welcome to TFF and I'm pretty sure Mr Goforth will second me on this one. I do NOT think it would be safe to shoot modern ammo in this gun, i believe it to be for BP cartridges.



    the pictures I believe show a H&R auto-ejecting second model. see information below;
    AUTOMATIC EJECTING SECOND MODEL (NEW FRAME TARGET LOGO GRIPS)
    (BLACK POWDER) ---------------------------------1890-1904
    New frame shape and new hard rubber grip panels with Target Logo, Auto-ejecting mechanism, Calibers 32 S&W, 6 shot cylinder capacity, 38 S&W caliber 5 shot cylinder capacity, nickel finish (blue optional), barrel lengths of 2½ (rare), 3¼ (standard), 4, 5 & 6 inches available, “IF THERE IS NO CALIBER MARKING ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THE BARREL THEN IT WAS MANUFACTURED FOR BLACK POWDER”
    Top of barrel markings include company name and address and patent dates.
    First Variation; one patent date OCT-4-87 only-----------1890-1892
    Second Variation one patent date marked OCT-4-1887 (year marked in full)--1890-1892*
    Third Variation three patent dates, Oct-4-1887, May 14 & Aug-6-89-------1893-Only*
    Fourth Variation three patent dates Oct-4-87, May-14 & Aug-6-89 (note 87 date des not have full year markings)---1894-1896*
    Fifth Variation five patent dates Oct-4-87, May 14 & Aug-6-89, April-2-95, April-7-96---1897-1904*
    *Serial numbers found on the bottom side of the top strap will have letter codes with them.
    VALUE 100%=$225 60%=$85 For all Auto-Ejecting 2nd Models; add 75% premium for 2½” barrel; add 25% for 4”, 5” & 6” barrels; add 15% for blue finish; add 10% for 1st , 2nd, 3rd & 4th variations with nickel trigger guard on nickel finish pieces
  3. hrf

    hrf Well-Known Member

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    Gun shown does not have target logo grips and I think it's a first model, 1880s, black powder.
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2009
  4. albsure

    albsure New Member

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    Thanks for your replies.
    The gun seems to be in fine working condition, so I just need to find some ammo: should be black powder .38 S&W short, right?.

    Otherwise, looks like it's for sale for ~$100 by the above valuation.
    A shame to leave it sit idle....
  5. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    this is a first model auto-ejector. manufactured between 1885 and 1889.

    AUTOMATIC EJECTING FIRST MODEL TOP BREAK REVOLVER
    (BLACK POWDER)-----------------------------------------------1885-1889
    Auto-ejecting mechanism, Calibers 32 S&W, 6 shot cylinder capacity, 38 S&W caliber 5 shot cylinder capacity, hard rubber grip panels with Floral design, 3¼ inch barrel length, Modified American Double Action mechanism and frame, nickel finish,
    First Variation marked on top of barrel with company name and address only and two guide rods for ejector--1885-1886
    Second Variation patent date 10-4-87 marked on top of barrel along with company name and address, extractor does not have extra guide rods--1887-1889
    VALUE: 100%=$325 60%=$125 add 30% premium for 1st Variation

    bill
    Last edited: Nov 3, 2009
  6. woolleyworm

    woolleyworm Active Member

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    Well, i was at least at the same ball game :D I missed the grips though. Nice catch HRF; Bill as always - spot on ! :cool:

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