H&R Premier .32

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by .32Guy, Oct 27, 2009.

  1. .32Guy

    .32Guy New Member

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    Barrel is marked: HARINGTON AND RICHARDSON ARMS COMPANY.
    WORCESTER.MASS.U.S.A.PAT.OCT4.'87.APR.2'95.APR.7'96

    Cylinder and ejector stamped: 492

    Serial #: 071499

    I'm not looking for a value, just a rough estimate of the production date.
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2009
  2. b.goforth

    b.goforth New Member

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    i believe this is a 32 premier first model 4th variation (1899-1903) but below i have included information on the first and second models. only the second model is safe with modern ammo.

    H&R PREMER FIRST MODEL SMALL FRAME TOP BREAK
    (BLACK POWDER)------------------1895-1904 Small fame double action top break revolver with double top post barrel latch; calibers and cylinder capacity, 22 rimfire-7 rounds, 32 centerfire-5 rounds; Free wheeling cylinder (no automatic cylinder stop); standard finish Nickel with case harden hammer and barrel latch; standard barrel length 3 inches, with 4, 5 and 6 inches available as optional; features a scaled down version of the new frame and double action mechanism introduced in 1890 on the Auto-Ejecting Second Model, does not have caliber marking on left
    NO CALIBER MARKINGS ON LEFT SIDE OF BARREL MANUFACTURED FOR BLACK POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES
    First Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 5-14-89, 2-23-92, serial number range 01*-15,000 (estimate)------1895-April 1896
    Second Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 5-14-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 15,000*-20,000* (estimate)------May 1896
    Third Variation, patent dates 10-4-87, 4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range 20,000* to 100,000* (estimate)-----1897-1898
    Fourth Variation, automatic cylinder stop same patent dates as 3rd variation several different serial number series that may have letter codes---1899-1903
    Fifth Variation use different font in barrel markings and may have an A letter code in the serial number---1904 -only
    VALUE: 100%=$285 60%=$75 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4”, 5” or 6” barrel; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber

    H&R PREMER SECOND MODEL SMALL FRAME TOP BREAK R.F. & C.F.
    Smokeless powder----------1905-1941
    Small fame double action top break revolver with double top post barrel latch; calibers and cylinder capacity, 22 rimfire-7 rounds, 32 S&W, 5 rounds; automatic cylinder stop; standard finish Nickel with case harden hammer and barrel latch; standard barrel length 3 inches, with 2, 4, 5 and 6 inches available as optional; HAS CALIBER MARKINGS ON LEFT SIDE OF BARREL WAS MANUFACTURED FOR SMOKELESS POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES.
    There has not been enough data gathered on serial number to try to come up with a serial number range for the different variations.
    First Variation, model name & caliber marked on left side of barrel, patent dates 5-14-89, 4-2-95, 4-7-96------1905-Only
    Second Variation, model name & caliber marked on left side of barrel, patent dates 4-2-95, 4-7-96------1906-1908
    Third Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel, patent date 10-8-95------1909-1913
    Fourth Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel, no patent date, state not spelled out in address (MASS)----1914-1915
    Fifth Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel same as 4th except different font used in barrel markings-----1914-1915
    Sixth Variation, caliber only marked on left side of barrel. State name in barrel marking spelled out (MASSACHUSETTS)-----1916-1924
    Seventh Variation, new grip frame, there is no step down for the grip panels to fit into----1925-1942
    After 1930 listed in catalogs as; PREMIER No. 30 .22 Rimfire 7 shot
    and PREMIER No. 35.32 S&W 5 shot
    VALUE: 100%=$265 60%=$75 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4”, 5” or 6” barrel; 20% premium for 22 rimfire caliber; 10% premium for 7th variation
  3. .32Guy

    .32Guy New Member

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    The only thing I plan on doing is opening up the primer pockets on a few cases to take a large pistol primer, or 209 if there is enough room so as to shoot wax bullets.
  4. LogicalSon

    LogicalSon New Member

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    I also have this H & R 32. I shoots .32 short Colt ammo. If I try to shoot 32 short S & W in it, the cylinder wants to hang. I think the rim on the S&W ammo is thicker than the Colt ammo. .32 short Remington seems to do fine. Anyway... I was wondering what this gun would be worth. What kind of history can I get on it. When was it manufactured? My Dad purchased this revolver back in the 60's and it is now mine. I'd like to know something about it. The gun shoots and is very accurate. The ammo is becoming hard to find and is very expensive when I do find it. Any Info you guys can give will be greatly appreciated.
  5. hrf

    hrf Active Member

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    .32 Short Colt is undersize for a .32 S&W chamber and I'm surprised your cases aren't splitting. You may have a burr on recoil face of frame or crud buildup that's causing the hangup.

    It will also shoot .32 Auto, but don't.

    Jim Hauff is the H&R answer man but haven't seen him post lately, maybe on vacation.
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2012
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