H&R Sportsman RESEARCH

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  1. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    It has become apparent, recently, that there are some holes in the H&R SPORTSMAN history and development both in the Double Action 999 and the Single Action 199. More research is warranted to fill in those holes. IF you own any H&R SPORTSMAN and would like to contribute to the research, I would appreciate the following information (pics would be a great asset):
    1. Serial Number (partials are welcome, but entire numbers will help more)?
    2. Firing pin on hammer or mounted in frame?
    3. Safety rim on cylinder? PATENT APPLIED FOR; one patent number; two patent numbers?
    4. Cylinder release: 1" long lever on right side -or- small push button on left side of frame right in front of cylinder.
    5. Location of Manufacturer's address - on top of barrel -or- on right side?
    6. DA or SA?
    7. Adjustable or fixed front sight? If fixed - soldered in slot or pinned in slot?

    Thanks in advance. I'll provide era of manufacture and Model and Variation determination for your SPORTSMAN.
  2. jim brady

    jim brady Well-Known Member

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    Jim, I hope this is what you are looking for:

    Sportsman Model 999
    Serial Number AU159XXX
    Firing Pin on frame
    Cylinder has rim, NO patent number stampings anywhere
    Cylinder has release tab on left side
    Manufacturor's address on left side of frame (H&R INC GARDNER MASS.U.S.A.)
    Double Action
    Adjustable front sight

    Sorry, I'm too old to know how to post pictures to anything other than Walmart's photo lab. Jim
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  3. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    Jim brady,
    "Sorry, I'm too old to know how to post pictures to anything other than Walmart's photo lab. Jim
    :eek:

    Jim, that's EXACTLY the type of info I'm looking for, complete and factual.
    'AU' indicates manufacture in 1980 and it's a 3rd Model. That model was in production from 1973 - the end of H&R Arms - 1986.
    Thanks for your help, amigo.
    Here's a pic for you: (this one made the year before yours) -
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  4. jamesjo

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    Jim,
    I think you are going to find your self VERY busy in the near future!I think this thread will far outlive the H&R Club thread we had going recently!
    Hope you turn up more info!
    Jim

    ps, I will have to get home to send you all my info, don't know any serial#'s of the top of my head.
    Dr's, talking at least another week now!
  5. Jim Hauff

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    Jim,
    You just take care of yourself. Plenty of time for your serial number info and stuff, later. I probably have some of it already - I know I have pics of many of your pieces.
    Yeah - going over the Sportsman sections in THE book, piqued my interest - I've managed to pick-up 3 more Sportsman examples over the past two months - just finished my "patented" preservation treatment on them. Anyway, there's some, what appears to be, ambiguity in what we think we know about the various variations, dates of production and characteristics of the 1930's guns and I realized I don't have much info on the 1950 and beyond guns either. I'm beginning to see some pieces that don't seem to fit the "mold". Hoping for lot's of input to help flesh out the progression.
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    I have a DA and a SA. I sent you the stats in a PM.
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    Jim,
    Here's a couple of older H&R Sportsmans with info you requested;
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    1. Serial Number-D21732
    2. Firing pin mounted in frame.
    3. Safety rim on cylinder, one patent number.
    4. Cylinder release: 1" long lever on right side.
    5. Location of Manufacturer's address - on top of barrel.
    6. DA
    7. Adjustable front sight.
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    1. Serial Number-S19599
    2. Firing pin mounted on hammer.
    3. Safety rim on cylinder, two patent numbers.
    4. Cylinder release: 1" long lever on right side.
    5. Location of Manufacturer's address - on top of barrel.
    6. SA
    7. Adjustable front sight.
    Jim, I hope this info is helpful.
    Old Gun Guy
  8. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    rhmc - got your e-mail, info added to files - THANK YOU!

    Old Gun Guy - great, more "grist for the mill", info also added to research files.
    re: the 1st Model DOUBLE ACTION - appears to be a "transitional" variation (from 2nd to 3rd) made late 1933 or early 1934. This one is EXACTLY in the period in question - it has the one patent # and safety rim - while retaining frame mounted firing pin and a fairly high in range serial number with the 'D' (for double action) prefix. There remains some confusion in this area and the more pieces found in this range - the less the confusion.

    re: the SINGLE ACTION (only one model recognized) - it appears to be a 4th Variation (hammer mounted firing pin) made circa 1937-38 - two patent numbers. The Model 199 SINGLE ACTION is, also, poorly defined because of the rather few number of examples seen. This info is also valuable.
    Thanks.
    p.s. Was it you to whom I promised to get H&R Sportsman cylinder info?
    If so, or even if not - I'll be posting a thread on the cylinders that I observed while digging through my SPORTSMAN cache. I had them out on the living room floor and decided it was a good time to pull some cylinders and take pics - had the camera charged up and all. I THINK I have covered the differences starting from a piece made in 1932 up into the 1970s -'80s. Not too many changes, but enough to make it interesting.
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    H&R Sportsman
    1-Serial number 46743 no prefix.
    2-Firing pin mounted on hammer.
    3-Cylinder has rim, two patent numbers.
    4-Cylinder release is small button on left side.
    5-Manufacturers address is on right side
    6-Double action.
    7-Adjustable front sight.

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    If you need better pics let me know. I'll have to take more.
  11. Jim Hauff

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    HAWG,
    Thanks for the info, noted and recorded.
    Your SPORTSMAN is what we're calling the 5th Variation (c. 1936-'39) and was (most likely) made sometime in 1936 after March 17th - it is fairly early in the "known" serial number range for that Variation
    I like seeing the pics and they sure help - but I'm afraid I don't have room to store everyone's pics - so I'll have to be chosey and pick only pics of those that I don't already have or have some oddball or significant feature that needs to be documented.
    Thanks, buddy!
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    Well mine isn't the best looking thing anyway. I just thought if you needed clarification on anything I'd be glad to take more. Cant have too many H&R pics anyway.:D
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    Jim Hauff New Member

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    Tell me about it! I've got right around 3000.
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    Jim Hauff New Member

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    STill looking for more H&R SPORTSMAN data - there's hundreds of thousands out "there" - ...............
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    More data needed.
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    bumping - still more info out there.
    Here's a couple pics of a very early 1st Model 1st Variation - note the NON-adjustable front sight - soldered into a slot.
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  17. Hawg

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    Come on folks get off your butts and post some H&R pics.
  18. Fla13

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    I just received this H&R Sportsman. I assume it may be from the first year of production since it has a very low serial number. I would appreciate any information you can provide. Thank you.
    “H&R Sportsman” - on barrel (left)
    1. Serial # 1784 (no prefix) - Number 784 stamped on cylinder
    2. Firing pin mounted on frame
    3. Safety rim on cylinder -yes
    4. “Patent Applied For” on cylinder
    5. Cylinder release - Right side, in front of cylinder
    6. “Harrington & Richardson Arms Co. Worcester MASS USA” - Top of barrel
    7. Double action
    8. Front sight pinned in slot
    9. “22 Long Rifle CTC” - on barrel (right)

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  19. Jim Hauff

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    Fla13,
    Welcome to the forum.
    Thanks for posting all your info and for the excellent pics - makes it a lot easier for me.
    Yep, you have an early 1st Model 1st Variation. The non-adjustable front sight, "key-hole" barrel X-section, firing pin in frame all fit with the serial number being so low...
    Your gun was made in late 1932 or very early in 1933 - can't be sure right now as more information is coming in about these early ones and it looks like there may be a date shift for the early ones - not much, maybe a few months.
    Thanks again - compare yours with my pics below:

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    A bit more data for you,Mr. Hauff.Picked up a Sportsman at a yardsale,about 95% bluing,certian it is pre-WW2.
    Serial #D243XX
    Top flat Worcester address
    Right side of barrel, .22 LONG RIFLE CTG.
    Left side of barrel, H&R "SPORTSMAN"
    Bar style cylinder release on right side
    Firing pin on hammer
    Adjustable front and rear sights
    Numbers matching on all visible
    Large walnut one piece grip with checkering on sides and back,think it might be the type 4 grip?
    Heavy barrel,does not have the keyhole profile of the first model.
    Two patten numbers on cylinder,one above the other,on same area between ttwo flutes:pAT.1904730,PAT.2034632.
    Hope this is some help.

    Whoops,forgot! Safety rim is present.
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