H&R top break & Unknown Revolver Help

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  1. CavBirdie

    CavBirdie New Member

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    I have recently inharited some guns from my father. i have managed to identify all but 2 of the revolvers.

    the easy one is a H&R Top Break, 6 shot, auto eject revolver. it has no cal markings on it at all. The top of the barrel says
    "HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON ARMS COMPANY
    WORCHESTER, MASS.U.S.A. PAT'D OCT.4.87.DEC.25.88."
    the only serial number i can find is 2259 under the pistol grips and the end of the breach lever.
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    the second one is a 7 shot revolver i think .22. i can find no manufacturer markings on it at all except for the serial number 17453 under the pistol grips and on the cylander.
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    i would apreciate any information i can get... ok the pics didnt show they are also in my albums
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  2. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

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    The pictures aren't showing so it's difficult to know anything about the ?.22..

    The H&R top break will probably be a .32 S&W or a .38 S&W cartridge - probably for black powder cartridges.
  3. hrf

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    Welcome to TFF.

    Your 2nd gun looks like a Smith & Wesson Model No. 1, Second Issue in abused condition with the cylinder installed backwards.

    (I'm not certain that's possible, but try reversing it)
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  4. CavBirdie

    CavBirdie New Member

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    i looked at it and if you try to reverse the cylinder it wont close or advance to the next shell
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    Then it must be a copy of the S &W No. 1, as the cylinder stop notches are at the rear on a S&W. There were a couple of copies by other firms, but they also have the notches at rear.
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    and looking at the S&W the top of the second edition is more like how the first edition was made, but it has the second edition access to the inner workings... ty i now know alot more about it then i did
  7. hrf

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    Found it:

    It's the Second Model Manhattan or American Standard Tool copy, distinguished by an extra set of cylinder notches to allow stopping of the cylinder between rounds.

    And some are unmarked.
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  8. CavBirdie

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    WOOO HOOO thank you for all your help i apreciate it :D
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    The 22 is a Manhattan Arms/American Standard Tool revolver.

    Picture of one here, scroll down a bit:

    http://www.armchairgunshow.com/SWTU-info.html

    Well POOP----beat to the post again by someone with faster fingers:D
    But I get extra points for pictures.
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  10. hrf

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    You're probably using all your fingers (slows you down) :)
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    im trying to figure out the Model and the Varation... and a rage of dates for manufacture... i havent seen the dec 25 88 date listed anywhere, and i havent found a letter with the SN
  12. CavBirdie

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    ok i found this:
    AUTOMATIC EJECTING MODEL 1 1/2 (BLACK POWDER)
    - .32 S&W or .38 S&W cal., different double action mechanism, trigger, trigger guard and hammer, 5 (.38 S&W cal.) or 6 (.32 S&W cal.) shot, new frame, nickel or blue finish, hard rubber grips with target logo, 3 1/4 in. barrel, marked with two patent date 10-04-87 and 12-25-88 (only revolver to use this date), rare. Mfg. 1889-1890.

    so i have a 1st model..ans some variation? or is it a 1 1/2 model with some variation?
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