H&R Topper Model 58

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  1. Z32C.com

    Z32C.com New Member

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    Gentlemen,
    Thank you! My wife's somewhat estranged brother was doing his best to cast the impression this was worth much more than it is, and told me about it being his Great Grandfathers boyhood hunting rifle, and wanting to keep it in the family rather than having to sell it off. Given the plastic trigger guard, and rubber pad, I suspected the the gun was much newer than his story would allow(I have My great Grand Fathers first Rifle-all Steel and Walnut(though not H&R ).
    My wife's Family verified that his Great Grandfather had his first rifle before 1900,and it is still in the family, and that there is no way the Brothers story could be true.
    If he asks, I'll give her brother $75 as an honest value(he needs to learn the value of that word), and have a good project to clean up with my sons for their first hunting rifle.
    Originally, I had intended to buy it to pass to his son when appropriate-because of the "family significance".
    Thanks again!

    Is there any reason not to completely refinish this rifle? I could make up a story to excite my boys, or just start the known history of this firearm with them, and after cleaning it up, let all of the patina put on it be theirs!
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  2. 22shot

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    Sheesh!

    I also have a Toppper #58, 20ga.

    Don't care when it was made; or how much it's worth; it's a great cary gun for quail and partridge in the feild. Light, very quick response time.

    The pump and double stay at home.

    :cool:
  3. Jim Hauff

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    Z32C,
    You know the history, you know the value - you have the family heirloom status cleared up, the piece is of no real "historical" significance - it would make a fine first hunting rifle for your son(s). A complete refinish would, most likely, cost north of 200 bucks. A complete clean-up - would cost only what the cost of cleaning supplies would be. Your call - thanks for sharing and thanks for thanking.
  4. nuke submariner

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    This may have been covered already and regrets if I am duplicating info request, but can you tell me when the book, "H&R Arms Company 1871-1986" will be out and where/how one may procure one?

    Thanking you in advance, Mick - Abilene, TX

    PS: I could use a couple of good used or OEM brass 158 topper shotgun sight beads. Not sure if the aftermarket ones are machined the correct shape; could use confirmation one way ot the other on those too. Mui gracias!
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  6. jlong

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    i have recently come in possession of a H&R topper model 58 12 gauge break over shotgun the serial number is AP214372 i was just curious as to how old it is an where i might find a firing pin for it because the previous owners misused the weapon an broke the firing pin any help you give would be very much appreciated
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  7. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    See your other posting for complete answer.
  8. ashleyyy123

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    When was the first year the Topper model 158, 12 gauge, 2 and 3 quarter, full choke, single shot, shotgun made?
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  9. Jim Hauff

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    The Model 158 Topper was listed in the catalogues starting in 1962 and was no longer listed after 1973. The 158 is virtually identical in form, fit and function to the Model 148 - Bill G. surmised that the only reason for the Model number change was the introduction of the multi-barrel sets, rifle/shotgun combos.

    Additional info: 2nd Variation 158: the 12 ga x 3" chamber was introduced in 1970 - all 12s before that were 2 3/4".
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  10. AuburnAlum15

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    Hi guys,
    New member here looking for some info on my H&R Topper 158 30-30.
    I'm am trying to figure out what year it is and more specifically what the serial number is or where is it located?

    The only numbers I can find are the Patent number (AD U.S PAT. 2876576) and the caliber stamping on the barrel.

    I have attached images of it as well. ANY help I can get is much appreciated

    THANKS!

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  11. Jim Hauff

    Jim Hauff New Member

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    Auburn Alum,
    Welcome to the forum. Always good to see new members with questions.
    If you look at the left side of the receiver, you will see, just below the manufacturer's name/address block, and just before the patent #, the two letters 'AD' - that indicates manufacture in 1967. During this time period - H&R seems to have not stamped a serial number on most of their long guns (shotguns and rifles) for what ever reason and also because a serial number was not required, by law, until the GCA of 1968. Long guns were serial numbered from the inception of the s.b. shotguns circa 1900 and the initial production of commercial rifles shortly after the end of WW2, up to some point in the late 1950s early 1960s. I'm not sure when they stopped serials on the long guns, haven't studied that, as yet. Handguns were ALWAYS factory serialed from the 1870s thru the Feb. 1986 close of operations.
  12. AuburnAlum15

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    Thanks Jim!

    Am I reading the information on this thread correctly that there are interchangeable barrels for this model to use it as a 20 ga shotgun? That would be news to me as I did not know this gun could do that.

    Also, you seem to have an ample amount of knowledge on these guns. For curiosity sake, what would you say my gun is worth? (Pictured in the above post)

    Thanks again!
  13. Jim Hauff

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    AuburnAlum,
    The Model 158 was originally issued as either a stand alone single barrel shotgun or as a COMBO set with a shotgun barrel and a factory fitted barrel chambered for one of the lower pressure rifle cartridges (.22 Hornet, .22 Win. Mag., .30-30 Win., .22 Rem. Jet) There was also a 4 barrel set with .20 ga, .410 bore, .30-30 and .22 Rem. Jet. Other combinations were also offered. Your topper originally came as a set with a shotgun barrel and the rifle barrel. Your piece, made in 1967 may have come from a 4 in 1 Combo set (see above) or as a 20 ga. with .30-30 set. There's no way of knowing at this time.
    In what appears, from the picture, to be at least very good condition - your gun in .30-30 currently will retail somewhere between $185 and $225. I've seen them sell in that range. If you had the other shotgun barrel, it would add about $50 to the set value.
    NOTE: the multi-barrel sets were factory fitted, i.e. the rifle barrels were fitted to the shotgun receiver - all the chamberings for rifle cartridges were fairly low pressure rounds because of the limitations of the shotgun receiver. H&R made stand alone rifle receivers that were a bit more robustly made to handle the higher pressure rifle cartridges.
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  14. AuburnAlum15

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    Thanks again Jim!

    You have been VERY helpful. I'm guessing that since these barrels were factory fitted, there's no way I can purchase a 20ga barrel for my gun right?
  15. Jim Hauff

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    Auburn,
    Quite often used H&R barrels show up for sale at gun shows but, from my experience predominantly on the gun auction sites on-line.
    Your problem will be finding one that is of the correct configuration with respect to fore stock attachment. Your 158 has a "snap on" fore stock - with a notched stud brazed to the barrel - you will need to find a shot-gun barrel with the same notched stud in the same place. Later on, H&R switched to a threaded stud and bolt to hold the fore stock in place - and in fact the barrels made even later (after 2000) have the stud in a slightly different location on the barrel and used a different thread pitch - so Marlin made barrels will not fit on either the original H&R Inc. (pre 1986) nor the later NEF and/or H&R 1871 receivers (1987 - 1999). I just checked Numrich - they are sold out of the proper barrels. If you buy one through the internet auction sites - make sure it has the notched stud on the barrel.
  16. AuburnAlum15

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    Great! Thanks again for all your help Jim! I'll keep an eye out on the internet and see what comes available. If you run across anyone who has the right barrel for sale, please keep me in mind.
  17. h&r owner

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    i have a H&r model 58 and the top of the barrel says topper model 58 20 ga. 3'' mod. and then it has a p with a circle around it, and the serial number is am361740 and i need to know what kind of shot gun shells i can use, i bought shells and the box says they can be used with guns that are, ic/m/or f then it says lead shot sizes are 4,5,and 6.

    these are for rabbit and squirrel which is the last box on the bottom, and then the line above it is for rabbit and squirrel and it can be used with ic/m and lead shot sizes are 4,5,6,and 7and a half and i was wondering if these shells are ok to shoot out of my gun, if you could answer me, that would be very great, thank you
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