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  1. HunterAlpha1

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    hey jack, or anyone else who is knowledgeable on this matter, could you please post some links to news articles etc. about the dangers of Halal food in both America and around the world? i'm trying to make my sister a believer but no one in my family believes anything that comes out of my mouth.

    thanks in advance
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    and today's news for you

    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=370177

    IMAM, BASEBALL AND APPLE PIE
    Has your Thanksgiving turkey been sacrificed to idols?
    Surprise! America's favorite meal may be secretly dedicated to Allah


    As you sit down with your family on Thanksgiving and consider offering a prayer of gratitude, be aware the turkey at the center of the table may have already been "blessed" – in the name of Allah.

    Customer service representatives from Butterball, one of America's most popular Turkey brands, confirmed to WND that the company's whole turkeys are – without being labeled as such – slaughtered according to Islamic "halal" standards.

    "Halal slaughter involves cutting the trachea, the esophagus and the jugular vein and letting the blood drain out while saying, 'Bismillah allahu akbar' – 'in the name of Allah the greatest,'" explains Pamela Geller, author of "Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance." "Many people refuse to eat it on religious grounds. Many Christians, Hindus or Sikhs and Jews find it offensive to eat meat slaughtered according to Islamic ritual."

    She continues on her blog, Atlas Shrugs, "I don't want to eat halal. Not a bite – and yet this is being shoved down the throats of Americans without their knowledge."

    What can you do? Read "Stop the Islamization of America: A Practical Guide to the Resistance."

    Multiple phone representatives at Butterball confirmed the turkeys are slaughtered according to halal standards, and one named Tracy (she declined to give her last name) further confirmed the words of Islamic dedication are spoken over the birds. None, however, could explain exactly how the slaughters are performed.

    "I don't actually work in the processing plant," Tracy explained.

    As WND reported earlier this year, however, Butterball isn't the only company that may be serving halal meats to unaware customers.

    Pastor Mark Biltz of El Shaddai Ministries in Bonney Lake, Wash., has been sounding the the alarm for Christians to be aware of what he calls the "backdoor Shariah" now nibbling its way across the fruited plain.

    Muslims join many Jews and some Christians in avoiding the consumption of certain animals such as pigs and birds of prey, but those of the Islamic faith also have their meat blessed in the name of their god, Allah.

    "From the Christian standpoint, Allah would be an idol," Biltz told WND.

    In a sermon that he posted online, Biltz explained, "You could be eating beef, chicken, etc., offered up to Allah and not even know it. I can just imagine at a Passover Seder the caterer unbeknownst to anyone is serving halal meat! It could be on your pizza without you knowing it, or at your favorite restaurant. People don't realize they could be eating meat sacrificed to idols!"

    He notes New Testament instructions specifically warning Christians:

    "Stay away from food that has been offered to idols (which makes it unclean), any kind of sexual sin, eating animals that have been strangled, and blood." (Acts 15:20, New Century Version)

    "As for the Gentile Christians, all we ask of them is what we already told them in a letter: They should not eat food offered to idols, nor consume blood, nor eat meat from strangled animals, and they should stay away from all sexual immorality" (Acts 21:25 New Living Translation).

    "At a restaurant, you're not going to know [if the food is halal] unless you ask," Blitz said. "I think we need to be aware of these things because they don't want Christians to know because they just want to sell it and get it out there. ... A lot of people don't want you to know it's going all over the world. Christians are upset as they're finding out about this because Christians are saying, 'How come you didn't tell me?'"

    Biltz quotes directly from a Muslim-run site titled, "The Islamic Guidelines to Slaughtering Animals," to let Christians know some of the procedures involved in making sure meat is halal. According to author Mufti Muhammad ibn Adam:

    Some evidences regarding the necessity of pronouncing the name of Allah when slaughtering:
    a) Allah Most High says: "Eat not of (meats) over which Allah's name has not been pronounced. That would be impiety." (al-An' am, V. 121)

    The above text is clear in determining the necessity of taking the name of Allah when slaughtering, and the unlawfulness of the animal when it is left out, as the major Qur'anic commentators explain.

    b) Allah Almighty says: "They ask you what is lawful for them (as food). Say: Lawful unto you are (all) things good and pure and what you have taught your trained hunting animals (to catch) in the manner directed to you by Allah. Eat what they catch for you and pronounce the name of Allah over it." (al-Ma'idah, V.4)

    Biltz is also publicizing a Muslim website called Zabihah.com which bills itself as the world's largest guide to halal restaurants and products. Consumers wondering where they can purchase halal food simply need to click on their geographic location.

    The Chicago-based Islamic Food and Nutrition Council of America, or IFANCA, agrees everyone should be properly informed about food classification, but its spokeswoman said she's taken aback when she hears some of the rhetoric about Muslims.

    "Of course it bothers me personally that my own religion is not portrayed very positively in the media," said Maria Omar, IFANCA's director of media relations.

    "Naturally, [Muslims] don't believe they're worshipping idols. It is unfortunate that some organizations malign [halal]. I want to change this perspective. It's just a food market need for certain people, and if Americans can benefit by providing this need, all the better."

    Omar says part of the ignorance problem regarding the status of meat has to do with the global marketplace and the countries of origin for food.

    "A lot of times, when you are importing food from large meat-producing regions such as New Zealand or Denmark, these meats are already slaughtered in the Islamic guidelines," she said. "A lot of their trade is with the Middle East, and they don't know where everything is going. All meat they export is halal standard. If it happens to go to the U.S. or England, nobody knows, since it's not always advertised or labeled."

    Omar added: "Perhaps what should be talked about more here is less about halal, and more about food-industry standards for labeling food properly. Certainly, if someone does not want to have halal, they should be clearly informed that the food product is halal. All consumers deserve the right to be informed of what they are eating."

    If someone is shopping in a supermarket, there are numerous symbols that help consumers know if a product is indeed certified as halal-compliant, some of which can be seen here:

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    Connecticut-based Subway, which has more than 23,000 sandwich shops in the U.S. and nearly 34,000 worldwide, is proud to be offering halal food in communities where there's a demand for it.

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    Subway spokesman Les Winograd told WND: "The way we look at it from a business point of view is here's a group of individuals who traditionally cannot eat out. They cannot eat your average name-brand fast food. When they travel, they have to bring their own food. They're consumers, they're buying things. We want to be able to tell them, 'There's a safe place for you to eat.' That's definitely worth something in their eyes. Here's a brand that cares about me, too. It's kind of an untapped market, so building brand equity is a good thing."

    Winograd says he can think of only two franchises in America, both in New Jersey, that have offered halal food, and says, "I really haven't seen any complaints here in this country."

    He explained there's a much greater demand in the U.K., where there are more than 100 halal locations out of some 1,000 total franchises.

    Winograd says those outlets go out of their way to make sure customers know halal food is being served there.

    "Everything is identified," he said. "Each store has a seal in the window, so you know when you're walking in that everything is halal."

    Last year, after categorically denying it used any halal meat, fast-food giant McDonald's admitted selling halal chicken in the U.K. without telling its customers. The poultry was used in popular menu items such as Chicken McNuggets and the McChicken Sandwich in its 1,200 British outlets.

    McDonald's told the London Daily Mail it was accidental, saying, "some halal chicken has entered our supply chain without our knowledge, and we apologize to our customers for this."

    According to the Associated Press, the worldwide market for Islamically permitted goods has grown to more than half a billion dollars annually, and it notes that in the U.S., McDonald's and Walmart have now begun selling halal products. Last summer, Whole Foods began selling its first nationally distributed halal food item, frozen Indian entrees called Saffron Road.

    Interestingly, the animals acceptable for Muslims to eat are in accordance with numerous Scriptures from the Christian Bible, which also classifies creatures such as pigs, shellfish, those with paws and all reptiles as "unclean," with God using terms such as "abomination" in Leviticus 11 and "abominable thing" in Deuteronomy 14 to describe them.

    Today, Christians are divided on whether or not the food instructions of the Old Testament are still meant to be observed, with some believers abstaining, and others having no problem eating pork products, lobster, shrimp and alligator.

    While there are biblical warnings telling people to avoid eating food sacrificed to idols, the apostle Paul also addressed the subject this way:

    Should we eat meat that has been sacrificed to idols? Well, we all know that an idol is not really a god and that there is only one God and no other. According to some people, there are many so-called gods and many lords, both in heaven and on earth. But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we exist for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
    However, not all Christians realize this. Some are accustomed to thinking of idols as being real, so when they eat food that has been offered to idols, they think of it as the worship of real gods, and their weak consciences are violated. It's true that we can't win God's approval by what we eat. We don't miss out on anything if we don't eat it, and we don't gain anything if we do. But you must be careful with this freedom of yours. Do not cause a brother or sister with a weaker conscience to stumble. (1 Corinthians 8:4-9, NLT)

    Biltz stresses he's not against halal food, halal stores or Muslims, but says "Christians may want to know that they're eating halal food. It's not so much a religious thing, but an awareness thing."

    Geller, however, is calling for Butterball to be held accountable for the "outrage" of serving unlabeled halal meat and pledges to fight for legislation requiring labeling.

    Geller is encouraging concerned people to join a "Boycott Butterball Turkey" Facebook page and contact Stephanie Styons at Butterball's public relations firm to register complaints.



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    http://www.qsociety.org.au/

    http://www.halalchoices.com.au/

    help yourself to the resources published here , this is mainly focused at Australians as that where my fight is based but help yourself , modify for the USA and share ..


    What is halal?
    Halal simply means permitted or lawful. So when we are talking about halal foods it means any foods that are allowed to be eaten according to Islamic Sharia law.

    This means that for any food to be considered halal it must comply with the religious ritual and observance of Sharia law.

    What is halal certification?
    This means that food has been subjected to approved certification systems which guarantee to consumers that nothing in the food has any forbidden components. Halal certificates are issued, for a fee, by a certifying body.

    What is haram?
    The opposite of halal is haram (forbidden).

    Food can be forbidden in Islam if it includes:

    blood
    alcohol
    meat or any products from a forbidden animal, including pigs and any carnivorous animals or birds of prey
    meat or any products of an animal which has not been slaughtered in the correct manner in the name of Allah
    Under Islamic law (sharia) it is permissible (halal) to consume items that would otherwise be termed haram so long as it is a matter of survival and not just an act of diobedience.

    Halal Slaughter
    Here at Halal Choices we are concerned with the halal slaughter of animals such as beef, lamb and poultry. To be halal certified the animal must be facing Mecca, have its throat cut while still alive and then ritually sacrificed by a Muslim who recites a prayer dedicating the slaughter to Allah. Because the animals must be slaughtered alive, stun guns are often not an option as they can kill an animal before the heart pumps out all the blood.

    To see the halal slaughter process, click on the link below. Be warned though, it is extremely graphic and disturbing!

    WARNING! Extremely graphic and disturbing!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0gFoP6gY0A


    Slaughtering facilities need to be inspected to ensure halal standards are met. Fees must be paid to one of the certifying organisations for this service. Islamic certifying organisations benefit financially from providing this service. They receive a constant stream of funds to support Islamic projects which contribute to the advancement of sharia (Islamic law) here and around the world.

    Many companies are freely paying this tax but not displaying the corresponding symbol on their labels. Currently Muslims represent less than two percent of the Australian population. So, as an Australian consumer, you could be paying a fee for an Islamic ritual service you do not require.

    If you would like to know more about sharia and how it affects communities click here.

    http://www.halalchoices.com.au/what_is_sharia.html
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  5. Marlin T

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    Thanks for the information Jack and thanks for the great question HA1.
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    stupid thing is , if bloody muslims read their own bloody book they'd see this

    Some people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Meat is brought to us by some people and we are not sure whether the name of Allah has been mentioned on it or not (at the time of slaughtering the animals)." Allah's Apostle said (to them), "Mention the name of Allah and eat it."

    Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 34, Number 273

    This was mohammed's own decree!!!

    he went , "oh big deal ... say allah's name and eat the stuff will ya's "

    so there is no demand in the koran for halal meats , its just another way to bring sharia into our world and force us to submit to them and worship their idols by partaking in meats sacrificed to udols which allah the moon god of old araibia was until moo ham odd rocked up and smashed all the idols but one , allah ..

    (this is from a internal discussion by the top 5 clerics in mecca to the argument about muslims in non muslim nations the site in english can be found here for the full argument http://www.omeriqbal.com/a/3 )


    Conclusion

    To summarize some of the important points:

    Quranic order in 6:121 in general disallows any food on which Allah's name has not been taken at the time of the slaughter and declares it unlawful to be consumed by the Muslims. The same practice has been adopted by Muslims since the time of Prophet Muhammad (sws).
    There is no exception whatsoever mentioned in the Quran that can declare the verdict of 6:121 inapplicable to non-Muslims.

    In addition, such a practice would mean that if meat that has been slaughtered without taking Allah's name is brought by a Muslim and consumed, it is impiety (as stated in the verse) and disobedience to Allah, while on the other hand if the same meat is brought by a non-Muslim and consumed then it would not be disobedience to Allah!


    seeing they are living in a non muslim nation and that nation haveing a non muslim supply chain, a muslim could eat the food and bless it before eating and all is ok

    but no , they lie and force all the non muslims to eat their sacrificed garbage and pay taxes for the privaledge !!!
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    folks they are lying to us about halal

    its just another way to implement sharia and taxes on the kaffir ..

    thats us ..
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    I pasted the symbols on my screen and showed it to my wife. I've been around a couple days, and never heard of it before. Thx.
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    raven take a look at your pantry

    everything with a halal symbol means you donated a couple cents to jihad and islam for that product , then times that buy your annual consumption

    then by every american today ..

    big number eh ...

    and you the kaffir are paying it ..

    "If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"

    Muslim (19:4294)

    On the Islamic website muslimvillage.com (June 11) the secretary of the Australian Islamic Mission, Siddiq Buckley is quoted as saying,

    "There are practical examples of [sharia] here already. We have Muslim schools, mosques, funeral parlours, shops and businesses. We’ve got abattoirs, Islamic charities, Islamic financial institutions. There are so many things – halal meals served on airlines. This is all part of Sharia.”
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    from one of the big halal food suppliers in the US

    this about supplying walmart , but it aint all labeled halal, but your paying for the certification and the act of making it halal ( sacrificing it to allah etc ..)

    http://www.crescenthalal.com/walmart.cfm

    Walmart recently completed a deal with Crescent Foods, a Chicago-based Halal chicken producer, to supply products to the world's largest retail chain. Seven Walmart supercenters in the Chicagoland area now stock a range of eight different Crescent chicken products, as the first deliveries were completed last week to stores in Niles, Mount Prospect, Waukegan, Plainfield, Aurora, Romeoville, and Oswego.

    Crescent has been supplying Walmart supercenter locations in Michigan with Premium Halal Chicken for over 2 years and has now been asked to serve Chicagoland. Crescent Foods is the leading provider of Premium Halal Poultry in the North American Halal Food Industry. Crescent chickens are fed an all natural, USDA certified 100% Vegetarian diet of pure grains and soy, free of any animal by products and processed animal protein. They are treated humanely and are allowed to roam in ventilated barns.

    Crescent chickens are hand slaughtered individually according to Halal guidelines by Muslims with the strict adherence to all required aspects including direction to Qiblah, accuracy and a longer bleed time. Crescent products are free of antibiotics, hormones, preservatives and colors, all Natural, Pure & Simple from Farm to Fork!

    Crescent products currently carried at Walmart include whole chicken (bagged), boneless skinless breast fillets, leg quarters, thighs, boneless skinless thighs, drumsticks, ground chicken and wings. The number of products and outlets could increase in the future if all goes well and Walmart sees success in the program.
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    thanks for all the links jack, hopefully my sis will read and watch and believe.
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    One of the big problems with big buisnes (and many people) is they have become whores to the dollar!!! No more morals or ethics, just give me the money and i will say or do what you want!!! If you say anything you are racist or worse. Scares the s**t out me anymore. People used to have a moral conciece (sp) about doing the right thing!!
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    People used to work for a living, go to church on Sunday, say their prayers before they went to bed, honored their father and mother ( took care of them in old age ), if they found a wallet, it was returned, went to school to actually learn something, respected their neighbors property, left their homes unlocked, kept their drinking problems in the family, and on and on and on.

    Doing " the right thing " today makes a person look like a wacko. :confused:
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    More reason to raise your own.
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