Health Care Rationing IS coming

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  1. walien

    walien Former Guest

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    No, active duty military personnel it's a medical benefit. It's socialistic? No, it's socialist. Having the government help those who "need help" is socialist. I appreciate your use of the term socialistic to try to help your argument, but it's socialist.

    The US does already have socialized medicine. We discussed that above. Some people do also have private healthcare and many have none. You also could not have the card in your wallet. I'm not a mind reader. What I do know is that you're complaining about socialism being evil and yet in the post you just made you advocated it.
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    And you are contridicting yourself. You say it's a benefit for active duty personnel, but it's socialism for military personnel that are discharged due to injuries. One of the BENEFITS one recieves for joining the military is healthcare for life. So how is it not socialism while on active duty, but yet it is socialism after discharge?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    As I said in another post, I'm done wasting time with your psuedointelectual socialist praising.
  3. walien

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    You might have a point in looking at it that way. It certainly would be a rather large benefit given that most other countries do not provide anything like this. Of course, most of them have switched to various models of healthcare. I seem to recall mentioning medicare, medicaid and the VA. Trying to split hairs about the VA doesn't ignore that there is universal healthcare in this country for seniors and low income earners. Both are socialized medicine.
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    Anytime any politician says something will not happen, you can bet yer boots that is exactly what is in the plan and WILL be done. so, i do believe health care will be rationed, especially to the older americans that are not as potentially productive as they once were. after all, time "barry" finishes with his term, we will all be socialistic robots anyway.





    Keep both barrels loaded!
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    Here in the good old U.S.A. you can get medical attention if you are broke and have no money, or insurance. Makes no difference weather you are a legal citizen or not. That is socialized medicine!
  6. walien

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    Carver,

    That's true for urgent car. You can go sit in an ER and they have to treat you. In fact, in border states, Mexicans come across the border on a compassionate entry to go to US hospitals for free (to them) urgent car. The system overall foots the bill. Healthcare reform is needed. I'm not advocating Obama's version, but changes are needed. There's no need for doctors to make as much as they do (specialists easily make over $300k), drugs to cost as much as they do, so many unnecessary procedures to be done, so many people to go without health insurance and drugs to cost so much.

    Sadly, when anyone tries to change things, as with anything in this country, so many lobby groups get involved. Try to change the above and you get nurses groups, the AMA, pharmaceutical lobbies, doctors groups, the insurance lobby, etc, all throwing huge amounts of cash to keep the status quo.

    Sadly, it will stay this way until the system and country are virtually bankrupt. Obama's plan will probably die just as Bush's social security plan did.

    I find it funny how so many people say that, yet so many incumbents get elected. I'm not disagreeing with your statement, but voters in most countries are far too hesitant to hold people accountable. Far too many people are going to vote on way no matter how bad the politician. To me, things like term limits, congressional reform, etc, are issues that people should care about far more than they.
  7. kingcuke

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    There already is health care rationing. Many people are self rationing due to lack of affordability, despite the negative long term personal and social outcomes. The US ranks 37th in healthcare according to the World Health Organization but ranks 2cd in healthcare expenditures.
    Obviously the current system is not working, at least for most healthcare consumers. While government intervention is usually ridiculed it often focuses the attention of the scrutinized to become more realistic.
    Am I the only one who caught the insurance company CEOs on CSPAN defending rescission, the retroactive canceling of insurance policies of the sick?

    http://watchingthewatchers.org/article/19604/america-health-care-rationing-already
    (http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html)
  8. Trouble 45-70

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    U.S. ranks 37th? By what standard? If it is so bad, why do people from all over the world come here for treatment? Wonder if Michael Moore conducted that survey. I have not heard of the rescission of insurance policies but am not surprissed. What would surprise me is if the Congresscritters didn,t pass legislation to make this happen if the Insurance Co's cotributed enough cash to reealection campaigns. Thanks for the headsup. Sort of like John Grishams "Rainmaker".
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