Health Care Rationing IS coming

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  1. ampaterry

    ampaterry *TFF Admin Staff Chaplain* Staff Member Supporting Member

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    I know a guy that says he NEVER waits in line at the hospital or clinic any more.
    All he did is sew an INS insignia to the shoulder of his jacket.
    When he walks in, the waiting room empties -
    Isn't that odd?
  2. Bobitis

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    If health care is so vital, what's with the 'rationing'?

    Who gets to go first?:confused:
  3. bcj1755

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    That's not a half bad idea. Many of the doctor's offices and ERs around here are generally clogged with possible illegals.

    Why, the closet-commies will let those who won't bow down and prey to Barry Hussein be the ones to die first from rationing healthcare. It's an easy and cost effective way to get rid of dissenters.
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    I was wondering why that was such a poorly written article and then I saw the source. Nothing like a news page that takes 30 seconds to render in my browser and graphics worse than I could make in MS Paint in 60 seconds. My guess is that the latest party line is to scare people about rationing to get some voters back.

    Healthcare is a huge issue. You won't find people like Boehner disagreeing with how healthcare is just going to balloon over the next few decades. Partisan bickering and short sighted articles from sites like this certainly aren't helping.

    "puts government bureaucrats in control of decisions that should be made by families and doctors." He also forgot insurance companies.

    EVERYONE needs to be concerned. Ever heard of this thing called stock or taxes? People like successful politicians and their counterparts own plenty of the former and pay lots of the latter. Healthcare costs already negatively impact the bottom line of American companies. Fewer and fewer can afford to provide this and in the end, those who do end up footing the bill. The ballooning of the healthcare costs in this country also mean more costs for Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. All of that impacts taxes.

    The elite always need be concerned. Everyone needs to. Want to get upset over something. Ask why we have the highest drug costs in the first world by far. Ask why we have the highest medical costs in the world by far. I wonder if many of you were upset when W was passing the senior drug bill?

    FYI, this country ALREADY HAS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. It's called Medicare, Medicaid and the VA. Don't like socialized medicine? Where are your posts advocating that we get rid of these programs? Seriously, step up if that's what you're really about.

    It'd be great to see an open, honest and non-partisan discussion here about actual ideas that can help healthcare. Just bickering about anything proposed really doesn't get anyone anywhere.
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    FYI, the VA, which stands for "Veterans Adminstration," is to provide healthcare to veterans who develop heath problems while in service to their country. I suppose you think that medical care for active duty military personnel is socialist also. Medicare and Medicaid are in place, supposedly, to help people who can't help themselves. Yes, they are socialistic, but a country or a people that does nothing to help those who genuienly need help is worthless. And if the Us already has socialised medicine as you claim, and its as predominant as you're implying, then why don't I have a medicaid card in my wallet?
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    No, active duty military personnel it's a medical benefit. It's socialistic? No, it's socialist. Having the government help those who "need help" is socialist. I appreciate your use of the term socialistic to try to help your argument, but it's socialist.

    The US does already have socialized medicine. We discussed that above. Some people do also have private healthcare and many have none. You also could not have the card in your wallet. I'm not a mind reader. What I do know is that you're complaining about socialism being evil and yet in the post you just made you advocated it.
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    And you are contridicting yourself. You say it's a benefit for active duty personnel, but it's socialism for military personnel that are discharged due to injuries. One of the BENEFITS one recieves for joining the military is healthcare for life. So how is it not socialism while on active duty, but yet it is socialism after discharge?:rolleyes::rolleyes:

    As I said in another post, I'm done wasting time with your psuedointelectual socialist praising.
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    You might have a point in looking at it that way. It certainly would be a rather large benefit given that most other countries do not provide anything like this. Of course, most of them have switched to various models of healthcare. I seem to recall mentioning medicare, medicaid and the VA. Trying to split hairs about the VA doesn't ignore that there is universal healthcare in this country for seniors and low income earners. Both are socialized medicine.
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    Anytime any politician says something will not happen, you can bet yer boots that is exactly what is in the plan and WILL be done. so, i do believe health care will be rationed, especially to the older americans that are not as potentially productive as they once were. after all, time "barry" finishes with his term, we will all be socialistic robots anyway.





    Keep both barrels loaded!
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    Here in the good old U.S.A. you can get medical attention if you are broke and have no money, or insurance. Makes no difference weather you are a legal citizen or not. That is socialized medicine!
  11. walien

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    Carver,

    That's true for urgent car. You can go sit in an ER and they have to treat you. In fact, in border states, Mexicans come across the border on a compassionate entry to go to US hospitals for free (to them) urgent car. The system overall foots the bill. Healthcare reform is needed. I'm not advocating Obama's version, but changes are needed. There's no need for doctors to make as much as they do (specialists easily make over $300k), drugs to cost as much as they do, so many unnecessary procedures to be done, so many people to go without health insurance and drugs to cost so much.

    Sadly, when anyone tries to change things, as with anything in this country, so many lobby groups get involved. Try to change the above and you get nurses groups, the AMA, pharmaceutical lobbies, doctors groups, the insurance lobby, etc, all throwing huge amounts of cash to keep the status quo.

    Sadly, it will stay this way until the system and country are virtually bankrupt. Obama's plan will probably die just as Bush's social security plan did.

    I find it funny how so many people say that, yet so many incumbents get elected. I'm not disagreeing with your statement, but voters in most countries are far too hesitant to hold people accountable. Far too many people are going to vote on way no matter how bad the politician. To me, things like term limits, congressional reform, etc, are issues that people should care about far more than they.
  12. kingcuke

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    There already is health care rationing. Many people are self rationing due to lack of affordability, despite the negative long term personal and social outcomes. The US ranks 37th in healthcare according to the World Health Organization but ranks 2cd in healthcare expenditures.
    Obviously the current system is not working, at least for most healthcare consumers. While government intervention is usually ridiculed it often focuses the attention of the scrutinized to become more realistic.
    Am I the only one who caught the insurance company CEOs on CSPAN defending rescission, the retroactive canceling of insurance policies of the sick?

    http://watchingthewatchers.org/article/19604/america-health-care-rationing-already
    (http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html)
  13. Trouble 45-70

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    U.S. ranks 37th? By what standard? If it is so bad, why do people from all over the world come here for treatment? Wonder if Michael Moore conducted that survey. I have not heard of the rescission of insurance policies but am not surprissed. What would surprise me is if the Congresscritters didn,t pass legislation to make this happen if the Insurance Co's cotributed enough cash to reealection campaigns. Thanks for the headsup. Sort of like John Grishams "Rainmaker".
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