Health Care Reform

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  1. carver

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    What will the Health Care Reform Bill do?

    Cuts $500 billion from Medicare.

    Forces rationing of health care.

    Raises income taxes to 43% from 35% and capital gains taxes to 22.5% from 15%.

    Forces the American people to pay, on average, an additional $2,000 more for health insurance premiums.

    Forces young people to buy insurance they don't need or want and would cost over $8,500 per person or pay 2.5% of their income as a fine for not having insurance or face prison if they don't do either.

    Taxes medical devices and many medical procedures.

    Why the fight is really in the House!

    President Obama is pushing very hard to pass Health Care reform using the reconciliation process. Reconciliation, part of the budget process designed to raise or lower revenues or spending, was never designed as a way to change the rules to pass controversial policy changes that otherwise would fail for lack of 60 votes needed to invoke cloture.

    As outrageous as reconciliation is, ultimately it's a distraction, and free-market activists who focus on it may miss the real fight in the U.S. House of Representatives.The reconciliation process cannot even begin until after the House passes the Senate bill exactly as it passed the Senate on Christmas Eve. That means it must pass with the abortion language already rejected by Rep. Bart Stupak and others still intact. It also must pass with the outrageous pork barrel spending deals cut for Nebraska, Louisiana, Connecticut, and others.

    In other words, the bill must pass the House with everything in it that the American people have already made clear they hate. That real fight is in the House, and will be over, in victory or defeat, before the Senate does or doesn't use reconciliation. We must act now!

    1. Call, write and fax a letter to the members of the U.S House of Representatives listed below. Tell them about all of the ways in which this Health Care Bill will hurt our country. Tell them to listen to the American people!
    2. Stay informed. Knowledge is power. Visit the links listed below to educate yourself on the topic.

    Abortion Coverage in the Health Care Reform Bill http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2823.cfm

    Gallop Poll on Government Regulation
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/125468/Americans-Leery-Govt-Regulation-Business.aspx

    Budgetary Impact of the House and Senate Bill
    http://www.heritage.org/Research/HealthCare/wm2756.cfm

    Why the Real Fight is in the House
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010...-care-reconciliation-house-senate-fight-vote/

    Targeted House of Representative Members:

    Rep. Michael Arcuri, New York 24th
    http://arcuri.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3665, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1891
    Local Office Number: (315) 252-2777/2778, Local Fax Number: (315) 252-2779

    Rep. John Boccieri, Ohio, 16th
    http://boccieri.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3876, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3059
    Local Office Number: (330) 489-4414, Local Fax Number: (330) 489-4448

    Rep. Allen Boyd, Florida, 2nd
    http://boyd.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5235, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5615
    Local Office Number: (850) 561-3979, Local Fax Number: (850) 681-2902

    Rep. Christopher Carney, Pennsylvania, 16th
    http://carney.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3731, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-9594
    Local Office Number: (570) 585-9988, Local Fax Number: (570) 585-9977

    Rep. Gerald "Gerry" Connolly, Virginia, 11th
    http://connolly.house.gov/index.html
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-1492 DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3071
    Local Office Number: (703) 256-3071, Local Fax Number: (703) 354-1284

    Rep. Henry Cuellar, Texas 28th
    http://cuellar.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: 202-225-1640, DC Fax Number: 202-225-1641
    Local Office Number: (210) 271-2851, Local Fax Number: (210) 277-6671

    Rep. Steve Driehaus, Ohio, 1st
    http://driehaus.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2216, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3012
    Local Office Number: (513) 684-2723, Local Fax Number: (513) 421-8722

    Rep. Chet Edwards, Texas, 17th
    http://edwards.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: 202-225-6105, DC Fax Number: Fax: 202-225-0350
    Local Office Number: (979) 691-8797, Local Fax Number: (979) 691-8939

    Rep. Brad Ellsworth, Indiana, 8th
    http://www.ellsworth.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4636, DC Office Fax: (202) 225-3284
    Local Office Number: (812) 465-6484, Local Fax Number: (812) 422-4761

    Rep. Bob Etheridge, North Carolina, 2nd
    http://etheridge.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4531
    Local Office Number: (919) 829-9122

    Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Arizona, 8th
    http://giffords.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2542, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0378
    Local Office Number: (520) 881-3588, Local Fax Number: (520) 322-9490

    Rep. Deborah "Debbie" Halvorson, Illinois, 11th
    http://halvorson.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3635, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3521
    Local Office Number: (815) 726-4998, Local Fax Number: (815) 726-8024

    Rep. Paul W. Hodes, New Hampshire, 2nd
    http://hodes.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5206, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2946
    Local Office Phone: (603) 223-9814, Local Fax Number: (603) 223-9819

    Rep. Jay Inslee, Washington, 1st
    http://www.house.gov/inslee/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-6311, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-1606
    Local Office Number: (360) 598-2342, Local Fax Number: (360) 598-3650

    Rep. Paul Kanjorski, Pennsylvania, 11th
    http://kanjorski.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: 202-225-6511, DC Fax Number: 202-225-0764
    Local Office Number: 570-825-2200, Local Fax Number: 570-825-8685

    Rep. Marcy Kaptur, Ohio, 9th
    http://www.kaptur.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4146, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7711
    Local Office Number: (419) 259-7500, Local Fax Number: (419) 255-9623

    Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick, Arizona, 1st
    http://kirkpatrick.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-9739
    Local Office Number: (928) 226-6914, Local Fax Number: (928) 226-2876

    Rep. Ron Klein, Florida, 22nd
    http://www.klein.house.gov/index.html
    DC Office Number: (202) 225.3026, DC Fax Number: (202) 225.8398
    Local Office Number: (561) 544-6910, Local Fax Number: (561) 544-2864

    Rep. Suzanne Kosmas, Florida, 24th
    http://www.kosmas.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2706, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6299
    Local Office Number: (407) 208-1106, Local Fax Number: (407) 208-1108

    Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich, Ohio 10th
    http://kucinich.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5871
    Local Office Number: (216) 228-8850

    Rep. Jim Langevin, Rhode Island, 2nd
    http://langevin.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2735, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5976
    Local Office Number: (401) 732-9400, Local Fax Number: (401) 737-2982

    Rep. Stephen Lynch, Massachusetts, 9th
    http://www.house.gov/lynch/
    DC Office Number: 202-225-8273, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3984
    Local Office Number: 617-428-2000, Local Office Fax: 617-428-2011

    Rep. Daniel B. Maffei, New York, 25th
    http://maffei.house.gov/
    DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4042
    Local Office Number: (315) 423-5657, Local Fax Number: (315) 423-5669

    Rep. Ed Markey, Massachusetts, 7th
    http://markey.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: 202-225-2836
    Local Office Number: 781-396-2900

    Rep. Alan B. Mollohan, West Virginia, 1st
    http://www.mollohan.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4172, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7564
    Local Office Number: (304) 292-3019, Local Fax Number: (304) 292-3027

    Rep. John Murtha, Pennsylvania, 12th
    http://www.murtha.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2065, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5709
    Local Office Number: (814) 535-2642, Local Fax Number: (814) 539-6229

    Rep. Glenn C. Nye III, Virginia, 2nd
    http://nye.house.gov/index.html
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4215, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4218
    Local Office Number: (757) 326-6201, Fax: (757) 326-6209

    Rep. Tom Perriello, Virginia, 5th
    http://perriello.house.gov/index.html
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4711, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5681
    Local Office Number: (434) 293-9631, Local Fax Number: (434) 293-9632

    Rep. Gary Peters, Michigan, 9th
    http://peters.house.gov/index.html
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5802, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-2356
    Local Office Number: (248) 273-4227, Local Fax Number: (248) 273-4704

    Rep. Nick Rahall, West Virginia, 3rd
    http://www.rahall.house.gov/index.html
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3452
    Local Office Number: (304) 325-6222

    Rep. Laura Richardson, California, 37th
    http://richardson.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-7924, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7926
    District Office Number: (202) 225-7924, District Fax Number: (202) 225-7926

    Rep. Ciro Rodriguez, Texas 23rd
    http://www.rodriguez.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4511, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2237
    Local Office Number: (830) 757-8398, Local Fax Number: (830) 752-1893

    Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger, Maryland, 2nd
    http://dutch.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: 202-225-3061, DC Fax Number: 202-225-3094
    Local Office Number: 410-628-2701, Local Fax Number: 410-628-2708

    Rep. Linda Sanchez, California, 39th
    http://lindasanchez.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-6676
    Local Office Number: (562) 860-5050

    Rep. Kurt Schrader, Oregon, 5th
    http://schrader.house.gov/index.html
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5711, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5699
    Local Office Number: (503) 588-9100, Local Fax Number: (503) 588-5517

    Rep. David Scott, Georgia, 13th
    http://davidscott.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2939, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4628
    Local Office Number: (770) 210-5073, Local Fax Number: (770) 210-5673

    Rep. Adam Smith, Washington, 9th
    http://adamsmith.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-8901
    Local Office Number: (253) 593-6600, Local Fax Number: (253) 593-6776

    Rep. Peter Visclosky, Indiana, 1st
    http://www.house.gov/visclosky/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2461, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2493
    Local Office Number: (219) 795-1844, DC Fax Number: (219) 795-1850

    Rep. David Wu, Oregon, 1st
    http://www.house.gov/wu/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-0855, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-9497
    Local Office Number: (503) 326-2901, Local Fax Number: (503) 326-5066

    Rep. John Adler, New Jersey 3rd
    http://adler.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4765, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0778
    Local Office Number: (732) 608-7235, Local Fax Number: (732) 608-7268

    Rep. Jason Altmire, Pennsylvania 4th
    http://www.altmire.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2565, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-2274
    Local Office Number: (724) 378-0928, Local Fax Number: (724) 378-6171

    Rep. Brian Baird, Washington 3rd
    http://www.baird.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3536, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2478
    Local Office Number: (360) 695-6292, Local Fax Number: (360) 695-6197

    Rep. John Barrow, Georgia 12th
    http://www.barrow.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2823, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3377
    Local Office Number: (706) 722-4494, Local Fax Number: (706) 722-4496

    Rep. Melissa Bean, Illinois 8th
    http://www.house.gov/bean/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3711, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7830
    Local Office Number: (847) 517-2927, Local Fax Number: (847) 517-2931

    Rep. Marion Berry, Arkansas 1st
    http://www.house.gov/berry/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4076, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5602
    Local Office Number: (870) 972-4600, Local Fax Number: (870) 972-4605

    Rep. Rick Boucher, Virginia 9th
    http://www.boucher.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3861, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0442
    Local Office Number: (276) 628-1145

    Rep. Dennis Cardoza, California 18th
    http://www.house.gov/cardoza/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-6131, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-0819
    Local Office Number: (209) 383-4455, Local Fax Number: (209) 726-1065

    Rep. Travis Childers, Mississippi 1st
    http://childers.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3549
    Local Office Number: (662) 841-8808, Local Fax Number: (662) 841-8845

    Rep. Jim Costa, California 20th
    http://www.house.gov/costa/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3341, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-9308
    Local Office Number: (559) 495-1620, Local Fax Number: (559) 495-1027

    Rep. Artur Davis, Alabama 7th
    http://www.house.gov/arturdavis/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2665, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-9567
    Local Office Number: (205) 752-5380, Local Fax Number: (205) 752-5899

    Rep. Joe Donnelly, Indiana 2nd
    http://donnelly.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3915, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-6798
    Local Office Number: (574) 288-2780, Local Fax Number: (574) 288-2825

    Rep. Parker Griffith, Alabama 5th
    http://griffith.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4801, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4392
    Local Office Number: (256) 551-0190, Local Fax Number: (256) 551-0194

    Rep. Baron Hill, Indiana 9th
    http://baronhill.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5315, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-6866
    Local Office Number: (812) 288-3999, Local Fax Number: (812) 288-3873

    Rep. Steve Kagen, Wisconsin 8th
    http://kagen.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5655, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5729
    Local Office Number: (920) 437-1954, Local Fax Number: (920) 437-1978

    Rep. Daniel Lipinski, Illinois 3rd
    http://www.lipinski.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5701, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1012
    Local Office Number: (312) 886-0481, Local Fax Number: (773) 767-9395

    Rep. Jim Marshall, Georgia 8th
    http://jimmarshall.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-6531, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-3013
    Local Office Number: (478) 464-0255, Local Fax Number: (478) 464-0277

    Rep. Jim Matheson, Utah 2nd
    http://www.house.gov/matheson/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3011, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-5638
    Local Office Number: (801) 486-1236, Local Fax Number: (801) 486-1417

    Rep. Michael E. McMahon, New York 13th
    http://mcmahon.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3371, DC Fax Number: (202) 226-1272
    Local Office Number: (718) 351-1062, Local Fax Number: (718) 980-0768

    Rep. Michael Michaud, Maine 2nd
    http://michaud.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-6306, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-2943
    Local Office Number: (207) 942-6935, Local Fax Number: (207) 942-5907

    Rep. Harry Mitchell, Arizona 5th
    http://mitchell.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2190
    Local Office Number: (480) 946-2411

    Rep. Collin C. Peterson, Minnesota 7th
    http://collinpeterson.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2165, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1593
    Local Office Number: (218) 847-5056

    Rep. Mike Ross, Arkansas 4th
    http://ross.house.gov/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-3772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-1314
    Local Office Number: (870) 881-0681, Local Fax Number: (870) 881-0683

    Rep. Ike Skelton, Missouri 4th
    http://www.house.gov/skelton/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-2876
    Local Office Number: (816) 228-4242

    Rep. Bart Stupak, Michigan 1st
    http://www.house.gov/stupak/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-4735, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-4744
    Local Office Number: (906) 786-4504, Local Fax Number: (906) 786-4534

    Rep. Gene Taylor, Mississippi 4th
    http://www.house.gov/genetaylor/
    DC Office Number: (202) 225-5772, DC Fax Number: (202) 225-7074
    Local Office Number: (228) 864-7670, Local Fax Number: (228) 864-3099
  2. kingcuke

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    Of course the reform bill has been hijacked by the usual moneyed interests and the sole beneficiaries will be the large insurance companies. However anyone who doesn't understand that our healthcare system is broken and that rates of employer sponsored health insurance peaked in 2000 and has been declining ever since is at best unaware, at worst blind.
    The US pays more and on average receives less care than most industrialized nations. The rate of increase of healthcare costs is unsustainable. Why should healthcare not be like other public services such as firemen, police, librarians, etc. Why can't a public and private option coexist like public and private universities?
    There is a misconception that care is available for people without insurance and few if any can afford to the insurance inflated prices at hospitals or clinics.
    Most of us are one job loss away from no health insurance, or one disease away from bankruptcy. People are and will die because lack of access to health care.
    Our health care system already costs billions, it's just that a significant percentage of it is going to a profit based insurance companies that neither provide a service or enhance care, a mult-billion dollar for profit industry between the provider of a service and the consumer of the service is not a free market solution it's more akin to the type of insurance offered by the mob.
    While I'm no fan of the government it amazes me how freely people provide information to insurance companies and other businesses and are afraid to answer the 10 question census.
  3. Trouble 45-70

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    kingcuke, the medical industry may be broke, but it is still some of the best in the world. One of the big problems I see is that the Feds. have promised the public more than they can deliver. i.e. the Feds. keep cutting fees for service to the providers, Drs. and Hospitals while extending coverage. Then all of a sudden we have a health care crisis. Now they want to seize 1/6th of the economy and raid that cash cow until it is a shadow of what it once was. The Fed. Leviathan is a cash vampire, long on promises and cost and short of performance. That doesn't count the massive control of our lives inclusive in this da**able legislation.

    Just wait until this Congress legalizes 12 million illegal aliens (probably twice that in fact) which will put a massive strain on our medical system. Somehow I don't think the shortage of Drs. will be filled by this lot.
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