HELP I.D. "SAFARI" .22rf RIFLE

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  1. FloridaFialaFan

    FloridaFialaFan New Member

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    Recently obtained this nice, small rifle but can't find any info on it. Have shown it on several forums and no luck so far. NOTE that it has stock features which look VERY much like what airgun makers use, or toy companies who try making real firearms.

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    SPECS: overall 35", LOP 14", weight 3 lbs. 2 ozs., .22rf S-L-LR, single-shot bolt action. Stock is sawn wood plank with sharp edges rounded and smoothed, finger grooves routed up both sides of the forestock, NO buttplate. Trigger and triggerguard both simply stamped steel. All steel blued except bolt. Pull to cock with NO safety I can find. ONLY stamping is shown below on top of the rear sight.

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    Have asked Daisy Museum and they respond that it's not theirs. Didn't bother asking toymaker Wham-O because for years they've denied their own WAMO line of three .22rf firearms!!! Could find nothing on Google.

    That stamping appears to be of the 3 Egyptian pyramids (denoting the African continent, well known for its safaris), with the large SAFARI followed by a small (101) which could indicate a model number. Yes, the rear sight is pinned to the action with the V-notch toward the muzzle, single screw-type elevation.

    WHO made it? WHERE was it made? WHEN was it made? HOW MANY were made?

    Also will appreciate any additional info you might be able to furnish on it.

    Thanks in advance for any help. [​IMG]

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF
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    old semperfi New Member

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    i live in southern indiana,old country boy at hear
    soory no help,it looks like a cheap chinese knock off but who knows.make sure to give us a holler if you find out anything. old semperfi
  3. FloridaFialaFan

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    Southern Indiana, eh? I'm originally from Ellettsville, near Bloomington. Wife is from cold end of Hoosierland, La Porte, just across the street from MI.

    Will let you know. [​IMG]

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser
  4. johnlives4christ

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    neat looking gun, how does it shoot?
  5. FloridaFialaFan

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    When it arrived from the CA auction I discovered it had no firiing pin or extractor. I sent the bolt to a gent up in PA who does my 'smithing. However, even once it's complete I don't shoot my collectibles.

    Have too many more modern iron around me that I could shoot, to take a chance on possibly ruining a historical artifact. [​IMG]

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF
  6. 3/2 STA SS

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    Looks Chinese to me especially the stock and stamped metal. I wouldn't get crazy with it and devote a bunch of tiime and $$ to it.
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  7. FloridaFialaFan

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    I have several other US-made .22rf single-shot rifles of similar vintage in the collection which all used the flat plank type of stock. I've never seen any Chinese or Japanese made rifles utilizing that feature. Ditto with the stamped steel. I have a WAMO (made in CA) Powermaster rifle with almost identical features. Again, this is why I mention the airgun and toy manufacturers.

    I believe there was one German-made .22rf single-shot used that type of stock.

    In fact the name Safari simply smacks of something WAMO (a Wham-O subsidiary) would come up with for a fourth gun to add to the big toymaker's line. And, the lack of, or very limited, identity stamping is in keeping with their other firearms. Below is pic of my flat plank Powermaster rifle for comparison.

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    I'm still convinced it's a Yankee concoction . . . [​IMG]

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF
  8. 3/2 STA SS

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    Looks somethiing a kid made in shop class
  9. FloridaFialaFan

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    Wow! That woulda' been one heckuva school shop!

    Found one listed in a 2007 RIA auction but the photo available was not clear enough to tell if it was the same rifle. If not, we know there were at least two of 'em made.

    RIA also was offering in that same auction a Canadian-made Tobin .22rf single-shot rifle. Again no way to clearly make out from photo if it might be mine, which I bought much later.

    Am still hoping to hear from someone who has, or had, an identical rifle.

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF
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    The fact that it doesn't appear to have a serial number should give us an idea of its age, probably at least 50 years old.
  11. FloridaFialaFan

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    That's a good lead, wonderwhippet.

    Also, I know of only two companies who actually produced their rilfes with a plank sawn stock: Hamilton Rifle Co. of Michigan, and WAMO (Wham-O) of California.

    Hamilton turned out a BIG BUNCH of the Model 27 with plank sawn, but Wham-O didn't produce many. Only 3 or 4 have so far been observed or report. One guy recenlty reported, and included photos, of 2 that he'd obtained. So that brings that oddball rifle up to maybe a half dozen...

    I can't think of another US gunmaker who used that technique on one of their production firearms. Can you think of one?

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF
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    these folks did have the agency for safari arms, who has it now i have no idea

    the safari 101 103 and 105 was a shop brand made by the same folks who made sterling brand firearms in the phillipines ( they have a range of 22's in semi in the USA under another name that i cant think of cause i'm dumb that way but includes a pretend M-16 in .22 LR ) , they are generally a decent ( not great ) finish and quality and regarded as a great kids starter Rifle here in Australia
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    Many thanks, jack404. That Legacy lead is the best info I've gotten on this little guy so far. I'll definitely be contacting them to see if they have any info, especially printed literature, about the 101.

    Hopefully another reader may know the name you can't think of and will pass along their knowledge. I'll also mention it on other forums I go on and maybe someone there can come up with it.

    Also, I'll do a search through the many brands named in the Standard Catalog to see if I can find some kind of connection.

    Meanwhile, if you do recall any more info I would greatly appreciate hearing about it.

    I email with a couple of guys in Australia who might be of help. Got any info I can pass on to them so they can help in the search?

    Thanks again.

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF
    aka: Jack, Florida
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    the name is Squires Bingham , the parent company of which ( the trading company) was the originator of the Safari ( the parent company name we still dont know but working on getting )

    i called a mate who is a expert http://www.skennerton.com/ids.htm and his mate ( he was not available) confirmed it was the same parent company for the Squires Bingham range that was the originator of the Safari 101

    as soon as i hear more i'll post it here
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    Jack may be on to something there. I have owned several Squires Bingingham guns. That gun looks like some they made and marketed under their own name for sales in the states. The 3 pyrimids might be the 3 mountain mark that I have seen on some other "cheaper" 22s but would have to do some research to see if it is squires bingingham or who I saw them on. One things as to is it is a SB rifle, contact Numrich Arms and ask one of their gun smiths. They carry a LOT of parts for the SB line so they might be able to make the connection for you. Here is their web addy:
    http://www.gunpartscorp.com/
    And here is their help line number:
    845.679.4867 M-F 8-4:30 EST
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  16. jack404

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    Bingo

    the people behind Safari was involved in a patent dispute and the 101 and 105 where recalled from sale

    the dispute was brought by the stevens firearms co the issues was the bolt on the 101 and the tube feed magazine on the 105 model ( a savage patent )

    they where marketed here as a kids gun and also as a gallery gun ( side show shooting galleries), numbers are very low on the 3 model with the 101 being the rarest

    Gallery guns did not require a serial number in Australia or most of the british commonwealth nations at that time ( but we do comply to patent compliance laws)

    we do not have much info for the USA side , just for Australia and New Zealand but we are all signatories to the patent protection act so how we found the history

    the parent company contracted Squires Bingham to make a number of weapons and where the principle agents for the slazenger intl. brand and mick simmons brands here in Australia New Zealand and had a office in Canada ( not the US that we can find at that time) now armscor represents SB in the US in nevada , i dont have any contacts stateside for armscor but have a few in SA i can try , but the real info i feel would have to come from the phillipines ,

    the originators of the safari was a agency , and contracted SB to make these ,

    SB made for a number of companies and agencies over the years

    trying to nail a name down is tough as these clowns changed names every time there was issues or taxes owing , or got caught sniping others designs as with the stevens/savage dispute i have the names SV Norgren and a TL Holmes as the same directors of a few of these companies

    we have a collectors fair here in 2 weeks and theres a bloke who attends who will know more, he's a specialised collector of these PI made actions , i'll ask him for a contact and pass it on if he agree's

    thats as far as i can go on the old boys network here

    seems like you have a collectable item even if not for name but for its rareness and outright hassle of getting facts ..


    but if that aint part of the fun of collecting firearms, i dunno what is ..
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    Jack,
    You are a font of knowledge, mate. Thanks for all the research.
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    Help came from Ian Skinnertons mate Clarry ( sorry dont know the gents last name well enough to even try to write it ) he has a book on Phillipine's arms , but the phone system here after the floods is all snap crackle and pop , i'll meet up with him at the fair and i hope be able to scan the info and post

    i do have this from NZ its a diagram of the same /similar rifle made by the SB co for these folks

    its a unlicensed clone ( common theme with these agency guys so i am learning ) of a Australian made Sportco , this action used some of the stevens patents and was lawfully made under licence here in Australia at Sportco and is compared as a equal to the safari 101 , maybe you can compare and let me know how different it really is , as i have nothing to compare it too here ( that i know of )
    but this is from the "dodgy" unlicence copy

    i'm told there where two rear sights one like yours with the screw is the gallery gun version and the one similar to the sterling ( squires bingham) sight as the kids gun

    SB broke no laws making this for the agency , it was the agency that was responsible to assuring patent compliance and licencing agreements

    the gents mentioned above just never seemed to do it correctly it seems

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  19. FloridaFialaFan

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    jack404, you've been a tremendous help. To kinda' condense your wealth of info. Question: was there a legitimate Safari (101) offered for sale, however briefly, in the US? If so, and with this type rear sight, might it have been intended as a multiple item sale to gallery owners?

    In my more than 7 decades I've never seen or heard of one before. You mention that they're pretty scarce. The fact that you're the ONLY person to come up with some reliable info on it, after it's been described on several online forums, speaks volumes as to its scarcity.

    "Little Boys' Rifles" are a VERY popular theme for US collectors for a good number of years. Various books have been written about multitudes of them. I don't recall the Safari (101) as being one of them.

    I look forward to hearing any further news you may learn about this little oddball. Enjoy the fair, and good hunting there.

    Best regards ~ ~ ~ FFF
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    Florida we dont know for sure , these people found a market , made a lot of promises and sorta delivered

    here in Australia as part of the commonwealth ( british one ) if taxes patent funds etc aint paid they can crush them

    in the USA i read they allow folks to sell there non compliant stuff to ensure payment and compliance

    what we think happened was they put out some samples sold some but got caught with the dispute and they abandoned the deal , shut down that business and opened another pretty quick

    between the wars and after WW2 there where innumerate small outfits all over the planet trying to make a buck from cheap rifles, the hardware store guns are such .. but trying to know which lot sold which name and follow that , we'll i'm lost already to be honest but getting shown a lot in the process, heck i learned a lot about mick simmons ( a aussy sportsman who started a sports store chain here ) as he bought a lot of these type guns and instead of the quality reputation i learned them to be when i was growing up learned they bought cheap stuff often early on but it bit them on the butt a few times and so they spec'd their own rifles directly to SB and the outback hunter range was born ( the first rifle i ever bought myself was a outback hunter in .22) so learning lots , but not a lot thats usefull right now .. but we'll follow our noses and see what we find
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