help me build my AR-15

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  1. focusmaniaczx3

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    in my poking around ive come across an AR-15 that will fit the bill for fun shooting and hunting small game. since then ive talked to my other half about wanting to have 2 AR's (1 AR-15 and 1 AR-10) and she said i could even though she sure didnt seem happy about it. the AR-10 will be my baby doll that will be built from scratch unless i stumble across one heck of a deal. however the AR-15 might come from cheaperthandirt.com. dont sass me just yet, look at it in the link and give me opinions on it. is it priced well? is it reliable? anything to look out for with it? i know nothing about these guns so any insight will have to come from you guys. but from what ive seen AR's are hard to find new for much under a grand so this seems like a pretty good deal to me. maybe too good a deal. so what exactly is wrong with it?

    this one vvv
    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/41788-55.html
    or this one vvv
    http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/38639-55.html

    i dont see any difference between those two other than the stock. the price difference is $90 and i can buy that stock for half of the price difference unless there is another difference that makes the additional $90 money well spent
  2. Snakedriver

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    Olympic has following of folks who swear by them. I'm sure, like all other brands, there are those who will bash them, but the price DOES look pretty good even figuring in shipping and FFL transfer fee. They look like nice rifles.

    One note, the 1:9 twist barrel on these two rifles will do best with 55-69 gr. bullets. If you want to shoot heavier bullets than that you might want to look for a 1:8 or the more common 1:7 twist. Palmetto State Armory has a big following and very good prices these days on the 1:7 type rifles. They don't have a 1:9 twist offering though.

    ETA: Since you're in NC you may want to look at Deltons. They're made up in NC and have great prices and products in the 1:9 type rifles. I have heard good things about them and have been tempted to get one of their rifle on many occassions.
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  3. focusmaniaczx3

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    never even heard of deltons. do you have any more info on them? and as far as the twist of the barrel goes. that is something ive never really learned a whole lot about. how does the twist of the barrel correlate to the accuracy of the gun and how heavy a bullet to put through it? also since we are on the subject. correct me if im wrong but does the 1:9 mean 1 full twist per 9 inches perhaps? ive never had anyone to teach me this stuff so if i want to learn about it i have to ask someone who knows.
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    Here's a link to the Delton website:

    http://www.del-ton.com/AR_15_Rifles_16_s/198.htm

    As I said, I don't own one, but many who do really like them. There are bashers who will say they aren't built right, but here's a few facts that will dispell some of the myths:

    - All flat tops have the extended M4 feed ramps
    - All bolts are MP/HP tested
    - If you order an upper or rifle with a flat top, it will have an F Marked front sight base
    - Bolt carriers are properly staked, and sealed
    - All barrels are parkarized under the gas block
    - Delton only uses taper pins on our barrels
    - All barrels are made of Chrome Moly Vanadium. CMV is an upgrade from the standard chrome moly. They also have the option to chrome line the barrels, or not, and you can chose a 1x7 twist or a 1x9 twist on most profiles.
    - Each and every upper or rifle that leaves until it has been test fired, not a single one leaves the factory without having that done

    Yes, 1:9 twist means that the bullet rotates 1 full revolution in 9 inches. The barrel twist rate in a rifle influences the guns best choice of ammunition use. As I said, the 1:9's work best with 5.56 / .223 ammo that falls in the 55 to 69 grain weight range for best accuracy and stability. 1:7 twist barrels will perform best with ammo from 62 to 80 grains. The heavier bullets need a faster twist to stabilize and be accurate. Some people have had their very light .223 bullets under 50 grains disentigrate in their fast twist 1:7 rifles from being spun too fast, so light bullets aren't recommended for them. A good compromise between the faster twist 1:7's and the 1:9's is the 1:8's that seem to do well with a wide range of weights. Many of the manufacturers offer 1:8's now.

    Each rifle is a little different and may react somewhat differently than described here, but these are the general rules.
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  5. focusmaniaczx3

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    so would the flat top having the extended m4 feed ramp be a plus or minus as far as an AR goes? i could deal with it being a flat top and add iron sights myself if it is a pretty big plus to have that extended feed ramp.
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    The flat top with M4 feed ramps are very popular options with AR buyers. The M4 feed ramps really only come into play in fully automatic weapons firing sustained bursts of mag. after mag. on full auto., but none the less they give the rifle a certain amount of known reliability even with semi-auto. firing. The majority of AR makers have gone to M4 feed ramps in one way or another.

    The flat top configuration gives maximum flexibility in an AR weapon. You can add a carry handle and use it in the conventional manner or you can add a wide variety of optics and iron sight options in combination. I'm going with a quick dismount scope and fold-down back-up iron sights on my flat top. Most good scope mounts for the AR-15 can be mounted and dismounted without losing zero. ETA: The fold-down back-up sights can be deployed with a press of a botton and can then be used with the standard F-marked A2 front sights.
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    I take you have never shot one set up with 5.7x28. I shoot some practical combat (city/building format) and it is a very potent round at the range it is designed to be used at. I run against the PS90 guys with it. I find it quicker to aim and seems to have better ergonomics for me. Combine that with no spent brass to dance on and it is just a superb platform. I make no assertions that this round is any good past 75yds but up close it is deadly. On the course the longest shot is 25yds (same course used by the pistol guys). 50 rounds without a reload is enough to run the entire course without a reload. Currently running two rifles set up in 5.7 one with iron sights the other with a reflex red dot.

    Ammo is easy to find but yeah it does run a bit more but still less than good quality 308.
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    Focus, what city are you near?
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    Hickory.

    I wont argue about that round since you did call it that ive never used it. To each his own. It just seems like an inferior round to me.

    Thanks for the flat top info. I may go that route after all.
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  10. focusmaniaczx3

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    just wanted to update you guys on my pursuit to build my first AR. i have my upper on order and am waiting to receive it. i have my lower on my wish list. im building an AR-10 first for .308 winchester. i am going to lob rounds down range with it and see if i can get the holes to touch at 500 yards. my reason is because i got to shoot a bad news sniper AR .338 lapua earlier this week and it was phenomenal. i had heard the specs of the gun and thought that maybe they were doctored and that it takes a very experienced shooter to do that well. welp i put 30 rounds down range with it total and i had touching bullet holes in the target at 500 yards. i would have shot further down range except that 500 yards was all that there was. im not a very good shot or at least i didnt think i was and i was doing that?! other than the ammo being so much i loved every second of it. only draw back is that the scope on that gun cost more than i will spend to build my entire AR-10 in .308.
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    i'm still building a decent .338 here so enjoy yours there , look forward to your AR10 build , i love em ..
  12. cpttango30

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    How do you feed from and eject to the same mag? I want pictures of this and a video of it in operation. Cause I just don't believe it.
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    I picked up a 338 fed AR-10 Armalite last year. Listed for 1900, i got it from local gun shop for 1650. Super heavy compared to stag 6.8, but we (family members) killed 3 moose, several caribou, and a couple bear with it over the last 6 months and happy enough with the gun for hunting within 500 yards. Gun dead on at 100 yards, one of the moose was 400 yards, aimed at backbone, hit in kill zone, so I figure it dropped 8-10 inches as a rough estimate with 210 nosler partitions. AR-10 has 21 inch barrel, but they are offering a shorter barrel, 18 inches; thinking about another purchase.

    AIG has a nice AR-10 video, I think it's on the AR-15 dvd as an extra, but well worth getting, at least it was for me.

    I'd like to get a 338 lapua myself, just don't know enough about what's the best way to go, so I keep using my 30-378 which I think is comparable.
  14. focusmaniaczx3

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    well i want to keep you guys updated. the same place i "rented" the 338 from got another one in .308 with a very similar setup that they let me test out. the scope on the .338 cost over $1500 and was a leupold something or another. i dont know what the magnification was on that thing but it was up there. the .308 that i tested had some old bushnell 12x scope on it. i still made 3 inch groups which is pretty darn good considering that i could only just barely see the target at that range with the scope that was on it. im thinking the .308 will be plenty accurate enough. it will be plenty light on my wallet to shoot comparable to the .338 as well as easier on my shoulder. that damn lapua packs a wallop! in my honest opinion i believe that if both the .308 and .338 had the same scopes that i could shoot almost exactly the same with both because its aweful hard to hit a target that you can barely see.
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