Help me chose a self/home defence gun

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by Desertice, Aug 30, 2012.

  1. Desertice

    Desertice New Member

    Aug 29, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    you are absolutely right,,, pistol grip alone is not the best idea.... perhaps tactical grip ? what do u mean by upgrading the mag tube? any thoughts for lights?
  2. Desertice

    Desertice New Member

    Aug 29, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    beautiful,,,,, i like the bed mount,,,, but i am afraid that my kids will reach for and play with the gun... :mad:

  3. TheGunClinger

    TheGunClinger Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    I forgot that there are still kids out there. Mine have thankfully left the nest.;)
  4. Desertice

    Desertice New Member

    Aug 29, 2012
    Chicago, IL
    Great .....

    it seems that I will have to get both: a 12 ga Mossberg and a pistol. I will start by the shotgun first,,, i am doing some research and i found that some has a built in light ,,,, is that efficient and sufficient? does it jusstify the cost increase?
    how about the after market lights?
    also, I think i like the idea of having a pistol grip with adjustable tactical stock ... i saw that on a mossberg 500A1

    it also has a heat shield which is nice to have. the reviewer said it came with all these accessories out of the box without modification... but i cannot find it like this online.... i even searched mossberg catalog and i could not find it.... any idea? price?

    another idea is to get the mossy combo,,, so i can switch barrels if i ever decided to go hunting... here is one that looks good,,, any comments/ideas?
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  5. Recon 173

    Recon 173 Member

    Apr 11, 2008
    Central Illinois
    I would agree with Savage 170. Get a Ruger 9 mm pistol and go practice with it. They are good, sturdy guns that will last you for a lifetime.
  6. 01brian

    01brian New Member

    Dec 7, 2011
    A light for the defense shotgun and pistol is a must. I don't know about the built in one. I would not mix home defense and sport. I would have one for each purpose...but that's just me. My HD stuff is loaded and ready for HD. I don't like to take the time to change it over to sport...and it gives me a reason to continue collecting new stuff.
  7. aa1911

    aa1911 Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Pacific Northwest
    the 500 magazine cap is solid so tube capacity ends there; the 590 is similar to an 870 or others where the lug on the barrel is large enough for an extension tube to add capacity. For instance, my 870 is 4 +1 stock, I put a 5 round extension on it so now it's 9 +1. The 590 comes standard with a 20" barrel which is plenty short enough yet holds 8 +1 and you could add to that if desired.

    Any surefire style light (2 x 123A batteries) will be excellent, go for at least 60 lumens, 80 or 120 is better. The G2 from Surfire is what I use on most of my stuff because they're cheap yet work very well and are of great quality and last a long time.

    there are also pump replacement gizmos with built in light attached with buttons in the pump itself, replaces the stock one. they're normally around $275, for less than $75 you can do the same thing with a surefire add on. I use the G2 with a remote cord/momentary switch velcroed to the pump.

    I'll take a pic of mine and post it up.
  8. aa1911

    aa1911 Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Pacific Northwest
    OK, found a bunch of pics of both my newer 870 with a Choate 5 rd extended tube and the 590. 590 has sidesaddle, buttstock shellholder and slings plus tac light, and a mag tube follower upgrade. Came with the heat shield too, most 590's come with them.

    if you're wanting an AR style stock, go with an 870, with the mossberg's tang safety, it will be tough to manipulate, the 870 has a crossbolt safety that is much easier to work with a pistol grip style buttstock.

    my tac light:

    and a full photo of two of my shotty's:




    don't forget to choose good ammo too, I would recommend something like Federal 12g 2 3/4" shells in #4 buck, won't over penetrate too bad and has either 27 or 34 pellets

    don't use birdshot either, I hate when I hear stories like 'homeowner shoots intruder twice with 12 gauge, then bad guy left...' You tag someone with buckshot a few times at in your home distances, they're not leaving until the coroner shows up.
  9. lilmule

    lilmule New Member

    Aug 24, 2012
    Disagree buckshot will go thru the average home wall,maybe not several but one.
    Even if the bad guy left threat stopped,more stoppable than number 8 0r 9 and still less penetrating is something like number 4-6 shot.If it can take a chestfull of number 4 at eight to ten ft,glad it got away what ever it was.
    hopkins and allen 20 in double barrel 12 gauge
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2012
  10. aa1911

    aa1911 Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Pacific Northwest
    it will penetrate but will have next to no energy afterwards. It loses significant energy even through a car window for example. but yeah, anything you launch at extreme close range will do the job but if a 20yd shot was needed for some reason, #4 is quite good. BB shot sizes would be OK if worried about over penetration.

    But buckshot wins for me if I had to choose, I want to put the badguy down for good.

    or do cut shells! hahaa, that would put the hurtlocker on someone, getting a 'slug' of birdshot that explodes on contact, ouch.
  11. WHSmithIV

    WHSmithIV Well-Known Member

    May 3, 2012
    Moore, Idaho
    Those pistol grip shotguns may not be legal in Illinois. Check first. For your price range the Taurus Judge is a perfect choice even though it not a semi auto. You can practice with it using .45 ACP at a range and load it with 410 for the home. It really is one of the finest home defense pistols.

    If you go with a semi auto you may as well go with a 1911 - enough safeties on it to make it more difficult for kids to have an accident. Enough stopping power to take any intruder down. You don't have to buy one new to get one for 500 or less in excellent condition and the 1911's by Rock Island though made in the Phillipines are excellent pistols and accept pretty much all 1911 standard parts also.

    Just my humble opinion.
  12. 44 Special

    44 Special New Member

    Dec 5, 2011
    A shotgun for home defense sounds good,but,is not always the perfect choice in every home.One has to consider that pellets will likely hit walls,along with an intruder.If you lived in a rural area with no homes close by,then a shotgun is a good choice.

    Regardless of what handgun you choose,after purchase,practice,practice,practice !To meet your criteria,I believe someone mentioned the Beretta Cougar,which would fit into the criteria you asked for.Ruger also makes several 9mm pistols in the price range,and requirements you are looking for.

    Also,whatever you purchase,practice night time firing,as you will need to get used to the flash report of your weapon in night conditions,and see where you are grouping in a night time shooting situation.

    I personally like a .45acp auto,or one of my.44special revolvers,as they are both accurate,controllable,and have a low flash report in day,or night scenarios.With one ,or two well placed shots with the.45acp,or .44 special,you won't need the high capacity,nor the bright flash that come with high pressure calibers.The 9mm with today's ammo is a good caliber,along with the .357 magnum revolver.However,I consider them daytime defense cartridges.Just a thought to consider ? Standard pressure 9mm ammo would be preferable at night.Once you have shot at night,you will see what I'm talking about !

    However,I think a person should always choose the caliber that they can hit their target with consistently.That is why we have so many calibers to choose from !
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2012
  13. aa1911

    aa1911 Well-Known Member

    Dec 12, 2010
    Pacific Northwest
    just to throw some food for thought out there on the subject of penetration, a .24" pellet (or 27 of them) moving at 1350 fps will penetrate less than a 115gn 9mm will at 1350 fps. smaller buckshot is about as good as it gets, it's devastation comes from the sheer volume of projectiles, not the velocity so much. most pistol calibers deliver around 300 foot pounds where many shotgun loads come in around 2-3000 ft lbs.

    about 80% of all people shot with a handgun survive, something to think about.

    .45 ACP would be an ideal cartridge as it will not penetrate very much but has considerable power still. big and slow.
  14. gvw3

    gvw3 Well-Known Member Supporting Member

    Oct 16, 2011
    Chicago IL Area
    I am also from the Chicago area. NW burbs. Don't get the Mossberg with the pistol grip. You said you wanted to go to the range with it. Get the Mossberg 500 with the short 20' and 28' barrel's. You can find trap & skeet places to shoot this with the 28' barrel and use the 20' for home defense.

    Cabela's has it on sale right now for $399. It's like buying two guns for the price of one.

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    Last edited: Sep 22, 2012
  15. rmorgan9718

    rmorgan9718 New Member

    Aug 13, 2012
    Houston, TX
    totally agree with GVW3 - 20ga, short 20" barrel, use #4 to 1B, and as I was once advised by a LEO, "It's much better if there is only one person to tell me happened."
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