Hembrug 1918

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    Hello I have a very old rifle. I am not entirley sure what it is. I know it dates back to WWI or WWII. On bolt casing it says Hembrug 1918. Then on top of the rifle it says 7084M. Then on the bolt it says 9084. And there are 84's stamped all over it. It was left behind when my dad passed away and it looks like he has done some research on it or knew something and he says its a Dutch Mannlicher 6.5x53R Carbine, Hembrug 1918.
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    welcome to the forum can u put up some pictures
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    Thank you for the welcome. Yes I can put up pictures. I tried to when I made the thread but I guess it did not work. I will try again.
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    ok here are some pictures

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    What's the round emblem say?
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    It is the Hembrug logo.
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    Ok someone will be along to help
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    None of them seem to match this one though.
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    Help us out here, in which way does it not match the 1895 Dutch Hemburg Carbine?
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    Well I did not see any that had wood on the left side of the trigger case and just metal on the other. And the numbers do not match up. What do those numbers mean?
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    Well, I'm not a Dutch rifle expert ( not much of an expert on any thing anymore, I used to be the pro from Dover on Huey's and Cobras, but so long ago :eek: ) but I think that wood on yours is an add on. for what reason, don't know. The numbers ? the 4 digit numbers is the date of manufacture, yours was manufactured in 1918, others shown were made in 1916, 1920 ETC: In spite of the minor wood addition you have a Model 95 Dutch Mannlicher carbine made by Hemburg.. Any one else with more valid or better information?
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    It is a Dutch Artillery Carbine, made by Hembrug Artillerie - Inrichten (the Dutch state arsenal) in 1918. I don't know the reason for the wood covering the magazine, but it might have been because those carbines were carried across the back while the artilleryman was serving the gun, and the wood prevented the magazine from chafing his back.

    For a small country, the Dutch made/adopted an amazing variety of carbines, at least 12, plus other models for the KNIL (Koninlijk Nederlands Indisch Leger - Royal Dutch Indies Army). All were based on the Model 1895 Mannlicher and fired the 6.5x53R cartridge also used by Rumania. Loading was by the typical Mannlicher en-bloc clip which entered the magazine and remained until empty at which point it dropped out the bottom.

    Jim
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    Thank you guys so much for the information. What would this gun be worth? Is it rare or a collectors item or anything?
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    Oh, boy! It is definitely of interest to collectors of Mannlicher rifles and of Dutch arms, but there are not many of either. Those rifles, and Dutch weapons in general, aren't at all common in this country since there were few GI bringbacks (Holland was neutral in WWI and an ally in WWII, so it would not have been legal for GIs to bring back Dutch guns even if they obtained them); further, Holland never sold any large numbers of rifles off as surplus. Because that carbine is unusual, I would WAG a value at $350 or so, but will be happy to be corrected by anyone with better knowledge.

    Jim
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