Here is some really bad new gun regulation for christmas !!‏

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by K75RT, Dec 17, 2010.

  1. K75RT

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    Dear --- Customer,
    This is a special notice to warn you of impending new gun regulation. The ATF has proposed to require gun dealers to provide directly to the ATF the names, addresses, and serial numbers for every purchase of two or more semi auto, mag fed rifles within a five day period!! They are trying to force this in by January 5th, without any approval from Congress, calling it a needed "emergency" regulation. This is backdoor registration of guns and gunowners.

    Here is a quote from the notice by the NSSF (National Shooting Sports Foundation) regarding this burdensome and illegal move:

    "The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is moving to require federally licensed firearms retailers to report multiple sales of modern sporting rifles beginning January 5, 2011. Specifically, the ATF requirement calls for firearms retailers to report multiple sales, or other dispositions, of two or more .22 caliber or larger semi-automatic rifles that are capable of accepting a detachable magazine and are purchased by the same individual within five consecutive business days."

    We are encouraging everyone to contact the relevant officials to protest this move. The office that approves regulation changes like this that bypass Congress is the Office of Information and Regulation affairs of the DOJ and they can be reached at 202-395-6466. You can call your Senator and Representative at the US Capitol switchboard at 202-224-3121.

    The NSSF offers the following points to make when calling

    1)"Multiple sales reporting of long guns will actually make it more difficult for licensed retailers to help law enforcement as traffickers modify their illegal schemes to circumvent the reporting requirement. Traffickers will go further underground, hiring more people to buy their firearms. This will make it much harder for retailers to identify and report suspicious behavior to law enforcement."
    2)"Long guns are rarely used in crime (Bureau of Justice Statistics)."
    3)"Imposing multiple sales-reporting requirements for long guns would further add to the already extensive paperwork and record-keeping requirements burdening America’s retailers – where a single mistake could cost them their license and even land them in jail."
    4)"Last year, ATF inspected 2,000 retailers in border states and only two licenses were revoked (0.1%). These revocations were for reasons unknown and could have had nothing to do with illicit trafficking of guns; furthermore, no dealers were charged with any criminal wrongdoing."
    5)"According to ATF, the average age of a firearm recovered in the United States is 11 years old. In Mexico it’s more than 14 years old. This demonstrates that criminals are not using new guns bought from retailers in the states."
    6)"Congress, when it enacted multiple sales reporting for handguns, could have required multiple sales of long guns – it specifically chose not to."
    Read the full notice by the NSSF here:
    ATF to Require Multiple Sales Reports for Long Guns | NSSF Blog

    Read the full ATF document proposing this illegal move here: (PDF)
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...uments/atf.pdf
  2. jack404

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    they need it in by march as thats when the UN weapons mandate will be announced

    black rifles will be the primary focus as well as semi autos etc as they did here in Australia

    i have read part of the UN proposal , but the enforcement side was still classified higher than my contact ..

    sorry be saying this for about a year now ..

    HERE IT COMES!!!
  3. Marlin T

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    The link at the bottom didn't work, could you please it?
    Thanks for the post

    Registration has always led to confiscation.
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  4. K75RT

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    What a crock of BS, but what does one expect from a marxist/socialist potus.

    If you can't get em through legislation get em through regulation. Democrats, what a bunch of scum bags.
  6. Carne Frio

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    So, buy them six days apart. This regulation will have no effect.
    It's just posturing by the Dems to show their supporters that
    they are doing something, even if it does nothing more than
    waste time and money.
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    Yes, it will waste time and money to no good end, but the reality is that if a licensed desler makes any mistakes in either the booking of sales, or the reporting of sales (intentional or inadvertent), they still risk losing their license. This alone is a good reason to oppose this ridiculous regulation.
  8. Laufer

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    It might be a reaction to so much news about US guns going to Mexican drug gangs.
    There was a news segment on the alleged tracing of some guns from TX, NM, AZ and CA last night. Might have been on ABC at 1800.

    The good news in the US is that gun show (or personal sales) of rifles have no records kept by sellers. They seldom check personal info, and it is not required (so far).
    I bought my SKS behind a McDonalds, and sold the Mini 14 in a Kroger front parking lot.
    Only sold the Mini to buy the first "Jungle Carbine":).
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  9. redwing carson

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    It is like the story of how to boil a frog. You do it slowly other wise he will jump out of the pot. These small steps are all part of a broader control that the left is working toward. The Mexican issue, UN issues world threats like the Green movement. The Gun control issue has now shifted from an American problem to a world problem. Hillary Clinton the supreme American socilaist is working this thru the World courts.

    RC
  10. dbrodin

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    All this bureaucratic rigmarole for a "temporary" emergency rule? Typical government running amok.

    Dale
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    Ya know whats kinda funny about this is that being a FFL01 holder and someone that has transferred many guns for people and multiple guns sometimes, this is the first that I have ever heard of this. Also technically this is nothing new, when you get called in for NICS they already ask how many guns and if you have bought many within so many consecutive days, you will get flagged for further investigation. You may get approved, but your marked. I know NICS is FBI but its the ATF that looks at your 4477. Obviously this is something much larger but I can tell you as of now, there is no information on this coming from the atf.
  12. Bobitis

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    What do you mean by "when you get called in for NICS they already ask how many guns and if you have bought many within so many consecutive days, you will get flagged for further investigation".

    When I purchase a firearm, the form I fill out has no questions of the sort?
    Where I live, the law says there's a 3 day waiting period for handguns, and they need to be cleared by the local PD in which I reside. I get mine in 24 hours.

    I'm a little confused here.:confused:
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