A question for you: If you wanted to load 115 grain hard lead round nose slugs for target use in the 9mm, what powder and charge weight would you start with? I'm not looking for high velocity here, but rather accuracy for punching paper. I'm thinking 3.8 grains of Bullseye or 4.5 of Unique. Another possibility would be 3 grains of W231. I will be shooting these through a Mod 92 Beretta and a Steyr M9. Same question, but this time with .38 special 158 grain traditional LSWC and 158 grain lead flat nose. The flat nose slugs are a design I've not used before. They look almost like a straight WC slug, but are quite a bit longer and crimp in a groove that allows them to protrude from the casing about the same as the LSWC. I'm thinking of using the traditional 4 grains of Bullseye load and perhaps 4.2 of W231 as an alternative. What do you think?