Hillary in the White House ?

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Shizamus, Jul 18, 2003.

  1. Shizamus

    Shizamus New Member

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    Who cares? Nothing could be worse than the fascism of this
    administration. Except possibly the next step. Each administartion in the past
    has not undone the damage of the previous administration, regardless of party.
    Hillary is a Socialist/Communist/Fascist. Tell me what makes her different from
    Bush. All of the Socialist policies are all still in place while he and the
    Congress are Republican ruled. When it has been the other way around what has
    happened? The same. Both parties continue to rape and pillage the
    Constitution. Both parties destroy the 2d Amendment. Both parties increase
    debt and continue the failed and unconstitutional Income Tax to support the
    Unconstitutional Federal Reserve Corporation. Taxes continue to rise at all
    levels of government, again regardless of Republican or Democrat
    administrations. Our rights continue to be eroded by both parties. The justice
    system continues the big lie of constitutional law, and the injustice system
    continues to reign it's parade upon the American peoiple. The list is ongoing
    and never ending. The lies, deceipt, corruption, fraud continue from both
    parties that have run America for the last 150 years. America is dead and the
    sheep continue to graze.

    Time to return America to a Constitutional government.
  2. Cow Caregiver

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    Crossing the Rubicon....

    Okay, you rock-pated Vermont rascal. I agree with you, but who is gonna bell the cat? Who has a big enough bell? We can all see the problem, but it's easy to see the problem. Be giving us some fixes for it, and you will increase considerably in my esteem.
  3. inplanotx

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    Shiz, inquiring minds want to know how YOU would fix this. I read a lot of ranting and raving about what is wrong, but I never hear any fixes to the problems.
    I definitely agree there are problems, and I know how much you hate Bush, but then again I sit back and ask myself, where would we be right now if Al Bore had won the election. Yup, we would not have gone to Afghanistan, we would have fired maybe 25 tomahawk missles at the rocks and said "There, take that!" and forgot about it. We also would not have gone into Iraq. We most probably would have sent Saddam a letter and told him to cease and desist or we will have to go to the UN and ask them to remove the sanctions.
    However, the one fact that still brings tears to my eyes are the 2,800+ souls that lost their life on 9/11. Maybe we should invite the terrorists to come back and do it again.
    Com'on Shiz, how about a good answer here. Tell us how it is, please.
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  4. 1952Sniper

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    inplanotx, I don't really see any connection between our campaigns against Afghanistan and Iraq, and the fact that our liberties are being taken away here at home.

    It is possible to go kick ass in other nations without turning our own nation into a prison. If terrorists want to strike our country, they're going to do it. Punishing citizens for it will not change this. Taking away our rights to own firearms, or to read what we want, or to say what we want, will not change this.

    I would rather risk death from a terrorist attack, than to turn our beloved nation into a police state. I think it was Benjamin Franklin who said "Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty."
  5. inplanotx

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    Sniper you are right and I agree with you. I had read the Impeached thread and responded here instead. I do not and am not willing to give up my freedoms for any type of security. I will delete this post and move to the proper forum. I guess I just lost it. Sorry.

    Well, the forum will not let me delete my post. If someone on Staff will please delete this I will respond in the proper thread. Thanks
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  6. Evilahole

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    What I find most humorous is all this "what if this Democrat gets in office" and "what if this Republican is in office"...
    what the hell do you THINK will happen?!
    The same thing that has happened for decade after decade after decade...you will get screwed by either side.
    And as long as people continue to vote for the same old 2 party system, you will continue to get screwed time and time again.
    And for those who continue to vote Dems and Repubs, you will in all actuality have no real room to complain...after all, you keep putting the same kinds of people back in office every 4 years.
    I don't enjoy getting shafted by the 2 party system...Asses and Elephants are for zoos, not running a responsible country.
    PS...Do YOU have as many rights as our founding fathers did?
  7. TF118

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    Well hells bells....scrap the whole thing and move to Afganistan...I hear you can buy a class 3 firearms real cheap and no red tape...no background check ...no gov't interferance....no "big brother" just have to watch your neighbor....kill or be killed....whats all the crying about .... :confused:
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  8. Evilahole

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    Please elaborate TF118...are you saying we should shut up and accept our rights being systematically taken away from us?
    Is the government following the Constitution or is it slowly aborting it piece by piece?
    I'm not being snotty with this question, I'm just wondering if I'm reading your response correctly.
  9. TF118

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    Well Evilahole thats a relevant question and maybe I was voicing myself a little harshly...however what my point was / is that
    First I'm tiered of all the wining about whatever action is taken to guard against terrorisim meanwhile there seems to be a sever shortage of solutions or a better plan...then regarding the opening post,
    I'm not necessarily fond of her either but come on ...just some more mindless dribble about how "the corupt system is taking away our rights...it ain't the system it's the people running it ....we put them there and we can take them out of there...I guess bottom line of my message was 2 part...
    AMERICA , love it or leave it, and secondly we need to stop wining about the sad state our gov't is in and do something constructive about it. ...USA is still the best nation around and second to no other ...it is difficult to do whats best for everyone cause no matter what you do somebody ain't gonna like it...things change because people change 'em
  10. inplanotx

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    Hear, Hear, thanks, Gabby. Someone who really understands the drivel going on. Semper Fi brother!
  11. Zigzag2

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    what drivle :confused:










    OH ... I get it ;)
  12. Evilahole

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    Sorry, but I can't subscribe to the "love it or leave" view. That's self-defeatist.
    I still believe, and will always believe, "put up with it and shut up or fight to make it better".
    I don't hate the country, I hate what the government has become. Yes, we are the best nation going, but are we as good as we can be? No.
    I'm sick of the excuse "well nothing's perfect". Does that mean we should just give up and not only watch it stay "not perfect" but also watch it go further and further down the tubes?
    If something's not perfect you strive and fight to make it so. Maybe we'll never quite get there, but we'll get a hell of a lot closer than just sitting on our asses putting up with and loving things the way they are now.
    Personally I'd rather die trying to get the government back under control than hand my kids a copy of the Constitution with all the irrevelant parts blacked out telling them "Sorry what we left you to deal with kid...we were too busy loving the fact that our freedoms were being snatched away".
    I don't love it, nor will I leave it. But I will do everything in my power to give the control back to our kids telling them "here you go. We managed to fix it. Don't let it go to hell like we originally did".
  13. Cow Caregiver

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    Quit talkin' and do it, if you mean it.

    Last xmission this position. Too much rhetoric, not enough burnt powder.
  14. Zigzag2

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    As I scratch my head and realize this is due to make it's full circle ... I agree with Cow Caregiver. What rhetoric it's been!
  15. TF118

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    Guess you skimmed over my last post to quickly to read it...you pretty much said the same thing I said...different wording...same speech ...However I'll stand by my "America love it or leave it"
    If you don't like our gov't then do something about what you don't like...our gov't hasn't really changed much over the last centry...just as crooked back then we just didn't hear about it all ...I'll go one step further and say that the gov't was actually more crooked back then...not the gov't system ....the politicians
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    I turn in blank ballots
  17. riderbob

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    One solution

    One of the major problems with our government system is " We give power to the people who want it". I think a possibly short sighted solution would be to get a few locals togeather and pick a total stranger to run the office and if he doen't do a good job then "Fire his/her a$$" Seems to work pretty well in the business world. J/K We all know that it's not what you know it's who you know, even in the business world. I think I saw the following here on the forum. Why do we get to pick from 50 for Miss America, but only get to choose from two for president?

    Just my .02 worth


    Rider
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