Historical Quotes

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by Bruce FLinch, Nov 12, 2008.

  1. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    I wonder if anyone can help me to find a quote and author that I recall from over thirty years ago. I have searched the internet and even had the local library research it, all to no avail. Fragments of the quote are something like:

    "What have we then to fear in the word revolution? (blank) and (blank) are the twin stars which have guided our pathway. Those who want (blank) and (blank) without violence and struggle, want (blank) without (blank)...."

    Then ends with the line:

    "We were born to be rebels, it runs in our blood".

    I really loved this quote, but I can't find it anywhere.
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2008
  2. Vladimir

    Vladimir New Member

    Jan 29, 2008
    Issaquah WA
    You don't remember any of the blanks? What was it overall about, liberty, democracy, etc? I have a poli-sci teacher I can run it by if you have any more details, he has read enough content out there for all of us combined. It may ring a bell with him heh.
  3. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    Yes it's about liberty and revolution. While the tone seems definately Thomas Painish.....one part makes me wonder if it wasn't civil war era.....when it says "we were born to be rebels it runs in the blood."...seems like it's someone after the American revolution referring back to that time and their forefathers.

    And no, I don't remember the blanks exactly and what I did write I was paraphrasing. The jist of it is...and I'm not sugesting that these were the words...but it was like, "those who want liberty and justice without revolution and bloodshed are like those who want rain without thunder and lightning".
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  4. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    Here are two appropriate ones I found while searching.

    "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defence? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defence be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
    - Patrick Henry

    "The Constitution shall never be construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
    Samuel Adams
  5. fmacsin1

    fmacsin1 New Member

    Oct 25, 2008
    Moosehead Lake, Maine
    "When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow." Anais Nin

    "All of us who are concerned for peace and triumph of reason and justice must be keenly aware of how small an influence reason and honest goodwill exert upon events in the political field." Albert Einstein

    "I love a dog. He does nothing for political reasons." Will Rogers

    "The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of governments." George Washington

    "In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?" Dwight D. Eisenhower

    "History teaches us that man learns nothing from history." Anon
  6. TranterUK

    TranterUK Guest

    Those are my principles, and if you don't like them, I have others. Grouch Marx

    'A nation of shopkeepers' Napoleon just before we thrashed him.
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  7. DontCryMrJefferson

    DontCryMrJefferson New Member

    Jan 3, 2009
    I do like this quote because I do believe religion or non-religion should NOT be outlawed, however, I disagree that this portion of the quote, at least, has anything to do with out current situation. Indeed it is in a tyrannical government's best interest to promote a religion to increase obedience. If the politicians are doing a god's work then they can do no wrong, no matter how wrong they may actually be.

    And remember it is only just recently that religious tests for office in some states were determined to be unconstitutional.

    I believe a critical people are the greatest threat to tyranny while those with blind faith are its most loyal ally.

    Also, why are so many people quoting Abraham Lincoln? Wasn't he one of the biggest opponents of states' rights?

    Okay, if you guys haven't guessed yet, I am a fan of Thomas Jefferson. Here are some quotes by him that, incidentally, sum up my opinions very well.

    "No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burdened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer, on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish, enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."

    "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burned, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make half the world fools and half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the world..."

    "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State."

    "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

    ""If anything pass in a religious meeting seditiously and contrary to the public peace, let it be punished in the same manner and no otherwise as it had happened in a fair or market..."

    This next one may be a little inflammatory but I was always surprised that he said this:

    "[Revelations is] merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams"

    "the serious enemies are the priests of the different religious sects, to whose spells on the human mind its improvement is ominous."

    "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."

    "I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."

    **"...rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."

    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms ... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes ... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."

    "I hope we shall...crush n its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country"

    "To consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions [is] a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy. Our judges are as honest as other men and not more so. They have with others the same passions for party, for power, and the privilege of their corps. Their maxim is boni judicis est ampliare jurisdictionem [good justice is broad jurisdiction], and their power the more dangerous as they are in office for life and not responsible, as the other functionaries are, to the elective control. The Constitution has erected no such single tribunal, knowing that to whatever hands confided, with the corruptions of time and party, its members would become despots. It has more wisely made all the departments co-equal and co-sovereign within themselves."

    "What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must from time to time be refreshed with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."

    "[In Britain,] if a person brought up a Christian denies the being of a God, or the Trinity ...he is punishable on the first offense by incapacity to hold any office ...; on the second by a disability to sue, to take any gift or legacy ..., and by three year' imprisonment."


    On my next post I might give some Ron Paul, James Madison, John Adams, Alexander Hamilton (even though later in his life his views become, at best, subversive and perhaps tyrannical), Benjamin Franklin, J. S. Mill, John Locke etc...

    Also, if anyone finds that any of these quotes are inaccurate or misattributed please, let me know.
  8. ckill1

    ckill1 New Member

    Dec 29, 2007
    SW Iowa
    We sleep peaceably in our beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on our behalf." George Orwell, I think.
  9. dge479

    dge479 New Member

    Oct 6, 2004
    Haskell NJ
  10. Teejay9

    Teejay9 New Member

    Nov 4, 2008
    Southwest Corner of the US, "Where no stinking fen
    "Das was mich nicht zertoert, macht mich staerker." "That which does not desroy me, makes me stronger. " Friedrich Nietzsche. TJ
  11. mrkirker

    mrkirker New Member

    Jul 13, 2007
    The chief cause of stress is reality. Lilly Tomlin
  12. Popgunner

    Popgunner New Member

    Dec 3, 2005
    One of my old favorites:

    In 1785 Thomas Jefferson wrote to his fifteen-year-old nephew, Peter Carr, regarding what he considered the best form of exercise: "...I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body, and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks."
  13. islenos

    islenos New Member

    Mar 16, 2004
    West Texas
    There's no glory like those who save their country.
    Alfred Lord Tennyson

    The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.
    -Joseph Goebbels

    Does CHANGE come to mind?

    It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.
    -Joseph Stalin

    Sell a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man how to fish, you ruin a wonderful business opportunity.
    -Karl Marx

    I do not love the bright sword for it's sharpness, nor the arrow for it's swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend
    -J.R.R. Tolkien

    All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
    Edgar Allan Poe
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