Home defense AR: Kept w/ round in chamber?

Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by velocity101, Jul 7, 2012.

  1. FreeWill

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    And that from a rifel like this one which I use for HD and yes have a round in the chamber.
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    http://www.olyarms.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15&Itemid=26

    The 55 grain HP .223 has less penetration than any of the other ammunition tested. Based on the results of this testing, there appears to be no basis for concern regarding the over penetration of the .223 [HP] round. In fact, it seems even safer in this regard than .40 S&W handgun ammunition.

    The hollow point cavity in the .40S&W round filled with material when shot through the wall. This caused [these bullets] to fail to expand when they entered the gelatin. As a result, they penetrated 8.5" farther than when shot directly into the gelatin.

    When the .223 [HP] was shot through he wall it began to fragment and as a result penetrated the gelatin only 5.5".

    Because the .223 [HP] begins to break up on impact, it has less potential for damage or injury than the 12 ga. in the event of a ricochet. The .223 [HP] is obviously safer in an urban environment than the 12 ga. with slugs or buckshot.
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    While some people question the 12" penetration limit, it is not subject to discussion in this article. The FBI is deemed to be more knowledgeable than most, and it is backed up my Dr. Martin Fackler and others who have spent their life discussing the subject. Duncan McPherson, in his book "Bullet Penetration: Modeling the Dynamics and the Incapacitation Resulting from Wound Trauma" actually argues that 15" is not an unrealistic requirement a bullet should obtain. He does point out, however, that 11.5" of penetration shouldn't completely disqualify a bullet from being acceptable either. While 12" should be a minimum requirement, 18" is the approximate maximum desired penetration depth. Beyond that, and the bullet is likely to exit the intended target and retain enough energy to cause others harm if a person should be in the line of fire. Obviously you should never take the shot if you're not sure of what's beyond your target and rely on your ammunition to do your job of being prudent.

    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_Defense_Ammo_FAQ/index.htm
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    now if you all with allow it i will bring up another subject of using an AR for home defense i havent read yet and one i have a problem with. using an "M-16 machine gun" for home defense. cause thats what your "event" will look like in the paper the morning after.

    now i understand the sentiment "better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6" and thats not what this is about. what it is about is paying 2k for a beautiful AR that you have put all your personal customizations on, only to have it taken away and never seen again, or being forced to sell it after you have done what had to be done. now where is the practicality in that i ask.

    now your situation might be different, you may know the local law enforcement, your officers or the law are lenient on situations as such in your area. chances are 95% of us here live in the actual CONUS and have to deal with the anti-2a floods in the populated areas and in the country. even here in my place in southeast texas i have had tales of men sans their rifle because they used it for protection, miles and miles and miles outside of Houston.

    that is why i will only use a pistol or my shotgun for home defense as long as i stay here in my apt of course, but even when i have a home with substantial amount of land i will not use my rifle because i dont need cops jacking my expensive toy for "evidence" while a dude with a ski mask and crowbar is laying facedown infront of my bedroom door. ...plus my preference is for AK's so if the cops ever find that ill probably be thrown down on my face and cuffed cause im a man who fancies "evil criminal weapons."
  6. norahc

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    And I wouldn't put it past law enforcement to seize EVERY gun in the house for "ballistic testing" to determine which one was actually used.
  7. mogunner

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    Didn't know that Chicago had a "safe" area from the news...and if any of us knew exactly when and where we would need to have a firearm available it'd sure cut down on the holster wear on my Ruger.

    My long guns are in the safe, full mags locked but no round chambered, but the wife and my pistols are always loaded and always on our person if we are awake, and on the nightstand on each side of the bed when we are asleep.

    We also have six furry devils that would play heck with anyone's plans to move quickly through our house.:D
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    My grandson(5) is being taught. Last week he told on the neighbor kid because he pointed a play gun at him.
    I was so proud:D:D
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    No kids in the house, they're all grown up - all guns loaded. 1911 has one in the chamber. All that's needed is to pull back the hammer.
  10. LRChops

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    You can react quickly without 1 in the chamber under stress if you train for it! Patrol officers who carry M4 rifles do not carry one in the chamber and have to activate the charging handle upon deployment. It's doable! Been in many stress situations where I had to deploy my M4 fast and put it into battery. Comes natural with training. Always train to kill and have the right mindset! You will be golden!
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