Hopkins & Allen Arms Co Rifle

Discussion in 'The Ask the Pros & What's It Worth? Forum' started by Paula, Mar 12, 2008.

  1. Paula

    Paula New Member

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    Mar 11, 2008
    Vermont
    I have a friend who has a rifle that is believed to be a c.1857 shot gun that takes 12, 14, & 24 gauge shot.
    There is a picture of a squirrel on the butt end, there is a number engraved 219057 on the 2 separate pieces of the rifle when taken apart. The barrel length is 30" ranging from 3/4' to 1" in diameter.
    Hopkins & Allen Arms Co. is also engraved on the rifle. Can you tell me about this rifle? What is worth?
    Paula
    email: Paula2Wood@aol.com
    www.soloflightproducellc.com
     
    Last edited: Mar 13, 2008
  2. Xracer

    Xracer *TFF Admin Staff Mediator*

    Hi Paula.....welcome to TFF. :)

    I'm not quite sure what your friend has, but it's a lot newer than 1857. Hopkins & Allen were only business from about 1868 to 1915. Also, "Hopkins and Allen Manufacturing Co." was used from 1868 to 1898. "Hopkins and Allen Arms Co." was used from 1898 to 1915. They made a large variety of pistols, rifles, boxlock shotguns, and falling block shotguns based on their falling block rifle design.

    From your description, I'm not even sure whether it's a rifle or shotgun. Is the barrel smooth, or does it have rifling in it?

    Does it have a single barrel or double barrels?

    Does it use a lever to open it up for loading?

    Can you post pictures of it, full length, both left and right sides?

    Please list ALL of the writing on it, EXACTLY as it appears, including any numbers and/or Model numbers....and where they appear.
     

  3. Paula

    Paula New Member

    3
    Mar 11, 2008
    Vermont
    I will get a photo. A picture tells a thousand words! The gun is a single smooth barrel, was given to my friend by his great uncle.
     
  4. Xracer

    Xracer *TFF Admin Staff Mediator*

    OK Paula.....we'll be looking for them. Full length, right & left sides please.

    Also, don't forget to please list ALL of the writing on it, EXACTLY as it appears, including any numbers and/or Model numbers....and where they appear.

    Mind you, H&A made utility-grade shotguns, so your friend won't be able to put his (or her) kids thru college on it.....still, it's nice to know what you've got. :D
     
  5. Paula

    Paula New Member

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    Mar 11, 2008
    Vermont
    I will post the pictures on my site under the link to The Firearms Forum Link which is on the page for Web Site Building
    See www.soloflightproducellc.com

    click on the page where I make web sites, and scroll down a bit.I will post the 9 pictures I took today.
    Paula
     
    Last edited: Mar 17, 2008
  6. Xracer

    Xracer *TFF Admin Staff Mediator*

    Hi Paula.....WOW! Those pizzas look delicious!!!! :)

    Well, what your friend has is what we call a "wallhanger".....an old gun, of relatively low value, that shouldn't be shot and is best used hanging over the fireplace as a decorator. Sorry for the bad news. :(

    It's a Hopkins & Allen single-shot, boxlock shotgun, made sometime between 1887 and maybe 1905.

    These were inexpensive, utility-grade shotguns, made in a variety of guages and barrel lengths. In their day, many thousands of these sold for about $5.00.

    Your friend's gun, in the condition it's in, is worth maybe $50-$60 as a decorator.

    NOTE: This gun was made for blackpowder and shouldn't be used with modern smokeless powder shotgun shells!!!

    Again, sorry for the bad news. I'm sure we all like to think our "old gun" is a valuable antique....but....unfortunately, as in your case, they're usually just an "old gun".
     
  7. Hogman

    Hogman New Member

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    Feb 8, 2010
    I have the 12 gauge H&A handed down from my grandfather thru my father. I would really like to find out what year the gun was produced. It is stamped Hopkins and Allen Arms Company, Norwich Connecticut. It has Smokeless Steel and Choke Bored on the barrell. It is stamped D7524 on the barrell connector, the forward handgrip, and the casing. Can anyone shine any light on what year it may be from?
     
  8. RJay

    RJay Well-Known Member

    Feb 22, 2004
    Goodyear, Arizona
    1898 to 1915 is as close as you are going to get
     
  9. Hogman

    Hogman New Member

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    Feb 8, 2010
  10. finloq

    finloq New Member

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    May 23, 2010
    I have a Hopkins & Allen single shot 12 ga. from the same era. The barrel is in good condition (not damascus or braided). I have fired it using black powder shells (have it checked by a qualified gunsmith first). They are a blast (no pun...well...yes, pun intended). The ammo is expensive but good quality.
    You can get it from: http://www.buffaloarms.com/browse.cfm/2,24.html
     

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  11. Hawkin

    Hawkin New Member

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    May 25, 2010
    You have a fine looking H&A
    I have a Forehand similar to yours with a serial number of I 6366
    A friend of mine has the Davenport Model serial number V 5594.
    We are trying to put together a serial number/manufacturing date "Guessable"
    (How is that for a title?)

    What is your serial number and best guess at its date of manufacture?
    Do you believe or know if it is Model 712?

    Hawkin
     
  12. finloq

    finloq New Member

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    May 23, 2010
    No idea as to the date other than the period assumption (1898-1914). The serial number is: W6429. Other than the Hopkins & Allen stamp the only other stamp is the serial number: barrel, strap, forend tip.
     

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  13. Hardin Richard

    Hardin Richard New Member

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    Oct 24, 2010
    I bought around 1985 in Mexico a hand gun Hopkins and Allen 6 shooter marked
    "caliber winchester 1873". It has on the top canon and on it's side Hopkins and Allen
    etc etc patent 1874 etc etc until 1877.It also has "mother of pearls" hand plates.
    Serial number 2432 on the end of the handle and 1433 on the barrel.
    Could somebody tell me more about this gun ?
    Thank you
     
  14. finloq

    finloq New Member

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    May 23, 2010

    Mine IS a Model 712. This model is featured first in their 1902 catalog. Distinctive cosmetic changes were made for their 1909 catalog. therefore, I can assume that my shotgun was made 1902-1908. Note: it sold for $5.50 in 1902, I bought it for $44 in 2010, I guess that I am not going to get rich with this shotgun.:p
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2010
  15. padowser

    padowser New Member

    1
    Dec 3, 2010
    Hello:

    I have the same shot gun as finloq. A Hopkins & Allen SN # N54XX.

    I figured I could shot 2 3/4" shells in it at the block shots.

    Am I wrong? It seems like it is OK for smokeless powder.

    Thanks
     
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