how does the military best guys compare to USPSA or olympic shooters

Discussion in 'Competition Shooting Forum' started by CrudeBehavior, Nov 9, 2011.

  1. CrudeBehavior

    CrudeBehavior New Member

    Nov 8, 2011
    marksmanship wise....

    im sure the top guys in the military are good (special forces etc.) but how do there marksmanship skills compare to USPSA guys or olympic shooters

    for instance a Navy Seal might be a great marksman, but does he really compare to someone like Jerry Miculek?
  2. geds

    geds New Member

    Mar 27, 2011
    Well, if you consider Top Shot as a measurement tool, a self-taught camp counselor is a better shot than SEALS and various law enforcement agency personnel.

  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    Military hunt better than paper punchers ( i punch paper too ..)

    our top shooters comp wise here are civilians the top mil shooter is 5th or so and shock and horror , he's Navy!!! ( sob!) army is about 7th ...

    but a bunch of ex army bums myself included ate way better than the rest in our first club deer hunt
  4. 300 H&H

    300 H&H Active Member

    Apr 1, 2007
    In NRA prone shooting this match up happens all the time. Go to a 600 or 1,000 yd shot and you are going to see the military teams shooting right along side of the civilians. In my opinion they compare rather well, the best of each group very good indeed. The military guys are very tough with metalic sights, as this is all they get to use for the most part, as they shoot irons in the "any sight" portion of the match.

    At one time the military was strapped for long range instructors, and they recruited some distinguished expert class civilians to help teach long range riflery. This happened just a few short years ago. There was very little mentioned about it puplicly. I know because I know someone who was invited to go.

    SO IMHO they are quite comparable in their skills. They just get to shoot free ammo...sort of anyway:rolleyes:

    Best regards, Kirk
    Last edited: Nov 9, 2011
  5. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    300, can back that up easy for ya , they grabbed some aussies as well ;)

    later some US troops came here for long rifle in the field traing ( desserts like Afghanistan) here to Oz before deploying ;)
  6. pickenup

    pickenup Active Member

    Don't know about rifle competition, but in handgun competition. We have had groups come from the army base, as well as the air force base. They will have one or two shooters that place "OK" But for the most part, the groups do not do that well. Then again, the same can be said for LEO's.
  7. EDF924

    EDF924 New Member

    Nov 1, 2011
    Monroe, NC
    Stationary targets don't shoot back.
  8. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    EDF924 Welcome to the forum

    and very true eh .. ;)
  9. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    Hmm, if anybody thinks the average service member can't compare to competition shooters, I would invite them to try their hand in a military environment, say like Afghanistan.

    Ok, I know all military members aren't sharpshoooters and initially their marksmanship training only lasts from a few days to a couple weeks, unlike the years of regular practice competitive shooters do, the average service members is by far a better marksman than the average gun owner. You can't expect much more than that from a system designed to turn millions of citizens, many of whom have never fired a weapon, into an effective fighting force.

    So yeah, take a random selection of 100 competitive shooters pitted against 100 servicemen and the competition shooters will win hands down. But then take the 100 best in each category and see who does better.

    Oh, one more thought; I wonder how many civilian competition shooters got their initial marksmanship training in the military.
  10. reynolds357

    reynolds357 Former Guest

    Oct 24, 2011
    The military shooters will always prevail in real world shooting enviornments.
    I dont consider race guns on paper a real world shooting enviornment.
  11. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
  12. jacksonco

    jacksonco New Member

    It is all apples to oranges. You can take a bunch of bubbas and hillbillies from the sticks that have never been in the military or competitive shooters and they are very good, way better than average shooters.

    In the wars past it has always been the country boys that were the true marksmen in the militias and the ones during the Civil War on either side that showed up to camp able to shoot a flea off a bears butt at 300yds.

    The military can improve a shooter and competition can also hone a shooters skill. But the country boy is a product of his or her environment with skills learned from their fathers and their grand fathers. For them firearms are a way of life and in a lot of cases they still provide meat on the table for their families.
  13. whirley

    whirley Member

    Jan 27, 2008
    Many city peoplle come in the miltary with the idea that "Kick" from a firearm is extremely painful, almost deadly. It takes some practice just to get them past that idea. Besides the military training is not so much accuracy, as getting them to lay down covering fire. That keeps enemy heads down making an opportunity for other things to happen. A good marksman is good no matter what he's wearing. It just takes practice and concentration.
  14. Albtraum

    Albtraum Well-Known Member

    Jun 8, 2011
    Like jack said, I too think it's apples and oranges. Top Shot is the perfect example of this. One group is trained for man-sized targets, the other, the smallest possible groups, respectively. There are interesting outcomes to this, like on Top Shot. I believe it all comes down to the individual. Background experience has a part of it too.
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2011
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