how much is enough

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by oscarmayer, Jan 13, 2011.

  1. oscarmayer

    oscarmayer New Member

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    as i was doing my daily checking of the couple forums i belong too i saw a question. " is 10 rounds of 45acp better than 15 rounds of 40 s&w for home defence" and to me it begs the question . where do you live.... bagdad ? are most gun owners that paranoid ? when did shot placement become secondary to spray and pray ? though i have carried a browning hp that was only while in service of my country and it was only in hot zones where the extra rounds gave me peace of mind. but back in the "world" if i feel the need to arm myself outside the confines of my home i carry a da revolver or somes times a single stack 9mm. in my home in the night stand i have a colt saa in 45 colt ,and i dont feel undergunned , what am i missing ?
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    You don't shoot USPSA do you.
  3. oscarmayer

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    this was a post/ question involving how much is enough for home defence not organized shooting matches
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    I agree with you Oscarmayer as far as home defense goes. Then again I'm not a gang banger or drug dealer. That's about the only ones I would think would need more firepower than 6 rounds for home defense.

    When it comes to CCW though I just don't know because I can imagine running into a situation where you might need more than 8 rds without reloading.

    As far as .40 vs .45 goes, my preference is .45. I owned an XD 40 for awhile and while it was quite reliable I personally wasn't as accurate with it as with either of my 1911's. That was probably just me. Matt Dillon I'm not.

    Doing a quick comparison between the two rounds on paper I would think that the .40 would be the more potent round. That is using the formula e=1/2 mv(2), if that is the applicable formula. But I'm just not convinced the .40S&W is all it's cracked up to be. Talking to LEO's recently it seems they agree and round for round prefer the .45acp.
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    Look you asked so here's my two cents.

    How much is enough ?

    That isn't up to you, it's not up to me, it's certainly not up to some politician or bureaucrat in Washington. That's up to any person who chooses to exercise their second ammendment right.

    NO SIR, I must submit the premis of your question suggests YOU are falling right into where they want us to go. "Yea, I see your point mabe we don't need that many bullets." BULL

    No More Compromise. Shall not be infringed ! Me personally I only need one round. But if I want two I don't wanna have to justify it to anyone.

    Now this answer may not be the way you wanted the dialogue to go. But I simply wanted to point out where it could go.

    Recpectfully,

    me.
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    A+++ That is how we all should feel!!! It is up to me to decide and not some bureacrat!!! Could not say it better!!!!
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    Whoa! I don't think that's where he was headed at all.

    He generally only has 6 to 10 rounds with him at a time. Personal preference. He was wondering if other people thought that this preference left him underprepared.
    "Need" has nothing to do with liberty. You're totally correct about that. But I don't think it's dangerous to talk about what would be an acceptable minimum for a given situation.

    As to the original question, I think 6 rounds is a good minimum. That gives you three guys (assuming doubles).
    That said, I don't really like handguns for home defense, but that's at least partially because I shoot long guns much, much better. In my home, the 870 is king.
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    Hello ! (tap, tap, tap) Is this thing ON ? ! ?:rolleyes:
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    i wasn't headed there at all. personally i dont care how many round anyone uses. nor do i want it regulated if you want a 33 round magazine for your glock by all means you should be able to have one and use it. my point was more of a commentary on what someone might need rather than want. do you need or which is better 10 rounds of 45 or 15 rounds of 40 to defend your home was the original question asked on another forum and it stuck me as odd.my point being with extended capacity magazines some people have forgot some basics counting on putting a massive amount of lead down range at the target and forget the main relief in a gun fight is shot placement. isn't this also why 3 shot bursts became favored over the full auto it eliminated the spray and pray mentality
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    For me, 6 to 7 rounds of 12g 00 buck is adequate.
    For handgun it's 15 rounds of 10mm.
  11. Haligan

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    Ahhhhh, mabe I'm just reacting to the media spin. My bad.:eek:
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    oscarmayer this is a great thread.

    for me, i think a 45 with 8 rounds is plenty for home defense.

    that said, i carry a glock 22 40 caliber, loaded with 16 rounds. mostly because when i was looking for a full size gun i already had a holster and a few extra mags

    but for general home defense i see nothing wrong with using as you mentioned a single action revolver. it should be plenty enough firepower for any home invasion or defense purposes. this is considering that after the first several shots most would be burglars are going to flee.

    now if the assailant is not a burglar but a felon on the run and willing to do anything to stay out of jail then the story doesnt change. 5 or 6 shots is plenty, given that you're going to hit your mark at least once if not every time.

    another situation though that i think about is not just home defense, but shtf. in a situation where you were trying to fend off a mob of people i'd want as many rounds as possible.

    when i go on trips or any distance from home i make sure i carry a reload but most of the time i dont while carrying a glock. but if i was carrying my 642 5 shot 38 i'd carry a reload.
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    Yeah, I addressed it.

    The conversation could switch from anything to taking away gun rights... but we're still going to talk.
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    i usually keep a 357 or trusty 12ga with slugs for home defense figure either of them will either do the job or buy me enough time to break out more firepower if need be for an angry mob for carry out i just have 9mm kel tec and 10 rnds depending on time of year i might carry extra mag
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    i prefer a handgun over a long gun for home defense. 1 you can keep the handgun on you at all times. 2 you can more easily open doors. 3 it's faster to raise a handgun or bring it from behind your leg then it is a shotgun.
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    Goin back to the original question though, It is personal preference. Its not a about security its personal preference. Its just like the question "Which is better for home protection" There are some folks that cant feel secure with a Howitzer Pointed down the hall. Its as Haligan said, Its not how much ammo we prefer to hold, or use in our firearms. The real question is How much are we as a people gonna take before we put out foot and tell the Politicians and Doo goooders 'Enough is Enough"
  17. oscarmayer

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    my faith has been restored. though i believe we as gun owners should own whatever we want includeing 33 rd magazines for our glocks i was seeing a trend. unless, you have the latest and greatess firearm that was able to hold massive amounts of ammo some felt under-gunned. for sure there might be times when a 15 plus rd mag is in order but for home defense ???? with the idea that is something you MUST have seemed odd to me. sure i'm a old fart and set in my ways and most of my choices for defensive situations or potential defensive situations are guns designed long before most readers here were born, with one exception a glock in 357sig. but the glock wouldn't be my first choice or even my 6th choice. as fine a weapon as it is. i just personally don't feel any more comfortable because i have 15 rds stuffed in a magazine than i do with 5 rds in my colt saa ( hammer on empty cylinder) and my question was just a probe into the mindset of those that feel only a firearm that holds 10 to 33 rounds is required for proper defensive situations. now if and when the shtf will the colt be the gun i grab nope that would be my hi-power and m1a1 and if the wife chooses to follow me into the unknown she'll be toteing my rock-ola carbine which she laid claim too. she thinks it's cute that it was made by a juke-box company ....
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    I am comfortable with the capacity (8 rounds) that my 1911 holds. 9 if you count one in the chamber.

    For me, 10 rounds is plenty. But I don't really care if the next guy wants to carry a 50-round drum mag attached to his pistol.
  19. ampaterry

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    Actually, I reacted exactly the same way.
    The anti-gunners would LOVE to hear that the consensus of gun owners feel a six shot wheel gun is sufficient for all legitimate home defense purposes; it would play right in to their agenda of further restrictions.

    It's dark, I just woke up, I don't have my glasses on, and four guys just broke in. (Not at all unreasonable; some years ago, this is the EXACT number that came calling at 3 AM here after I left for work. Confronted while still outside by my wife with a .44 mag and my doberman snarling at the open window to our bedroom, they decided discretion was the better part of valor) Is the nine rounds in my 1911 sufficient?
    Well, there is a definite chance of a firm maybe -
    But a nice 30 round mag sounds better -

    We have to be VERY careful not to let ANYONE get the idea that real 'need' has anything to do with the second amendment.

    As Edgar Friendly said in the movie 'Demolition Man':

    You see, according to Cocteau's plan, I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy who likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green Jell-o all over my body reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal?
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    Terry,

    I see your point but I don't believe our opinions on the subject have any effect on the gun grabbing community. Discussions of this sort have gone on forever and nothing we say here will have any effect one way or another.

    Certainly there could be unusual circumstances where having a higher capacity weapon would be desirable for home defense, but the defense of the home, it's occupants, and it's contents is only one of a number of reasons for the second amendment.

    The primary reason for having the right to keep and bear arms is to empower the people to resist tyranny. At the very least the people are entitled to own the latest and best state of the art long guns and hand guns.

    mark
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