How to identify rifle, help please.

Discussion in 'Technical Questions & Information' started by Marpa, Feb 29, 2012.

  1. Marpa

    Marpa New Member

    Feb 29, 2012
  2. Alpo

    Alpo Well-Known Member

    Feb 3, 2007
    NW Florida
    It's not a Mauser. Looks to be a Mannlicher of some sort. That butterknife bolt handle is pure Mannlicher, although many custom makers use it because it is just so dang pretty.

    The stripper clip feeding through the top and dropping out the bottom when empty is a Steyr Mannlicher/Mannlicher Carcano feature.
    Last edited: Feb 29, 2012

  3. deadin

    deadin Well-Known Member

    May 16, 2006
    It appears to be a sporter carbine built on or based on the Mannlicher type Commission Kar 88. I believe the markings point to Steyr being the maker.
  4. roundball

    roundball Active Member

    Dec 13, 2008
    The marks on the side are older German proof marks for rifles.
  5. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    It is a sporterized M1888 Commission Carbine. Those were made in both Germany and Austria and without seeing the top of the receiver ring, the original maker cannot be determined. The proof marks are a mixture, both commercial. One is part of the German proof showing the proof load to be 2.6 grams (40 grains) of "G.B.P" (Rifle Flake Powder), the powder used in the proof load, with a Steel jacket bullet (Stahlmantel Geschoss). The other two markings are Austrian, the NPV and eagle of the Vienna proof house.

    So, what we appear to have is a rifle that probably was in German service, sold on the market, taken to or sold in Austria, modified there and the scope added, reproved in Vienna after the sporterizing, and finally coming, somehow, to where it is now.

    The scope and scope mount are certainly European, probably German; the stock is not original and appears to be American, or American style.

    So, no it is not a Mauser, but it likely was German.

  6. Bindernut

    Bindernut Well-Known Member

    Oct 24, 2007
    ND, USA
    Yup, that's sporterized Kar88. As Jim stated, the maker should be stamped on the front receiver ring...if the scope mount system hasn't obliterated the marking.

    I'm betting that the guy who sporterized it slimmed down the original stock (carving the cheekpiece in the process), and notching in a different piece of wood (poorly matched for grain though) for the pistol grip.

    If you look at the overall side profile of the wood, minus the pistol grip, the lines pretty much follow the standard Gew88 profile. After adding the pistol grip, it does wind up looking like a "classic American" sporter style stock but I'm sure it was done on the European continent.
    Last edited: Feb 29, 2012
  7. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    Boy, my eyes are not what they used to be; I missed that pistol grip work. Yes, the stock is the military stock worked over.

    As to the US style, many "sporterizing" jobs were done in Europe for American troops after both world wars, so such work is quite common.

  8. Marpa

    Marpa New Member

    Feb 29, 2012
    Dear friends,

    thank you for your informations. I appologize for missed informations in my first post here. This rifle is located in north part of Croatia, former part of Yugoslavia, which was before WWI a part of Austro-Hungarian Empire.
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