I am an American

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by bizy, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. bizy

    bizy New Member

    Dec 17, 2008
    Marlow, Ok
    I served 3 1/2 years on the rivers in viet Nam. I'm not saying I agreed with that "WAR", but I served the president's orders. I am now 62 and I will serve this president. I don't agree with many things Obama is saying or doing. I will be writing letters to stop the things I don't agree with, I am still an American protecting my rights to own guns and fight more gun laws.

    I am registered independent and, not Rep or Dem. Look at it this way. Buy all the guns you can and watch the price go up. If you do not have a conceal carry lic, you better get it ASAP. When times get really tough, 3 things will always be in demand. Sex, Drugs, Guns. I don't do drugs and my wife says I don't do sex, but, I gotta bunch of guns..

    To make a long story short, Just make the best of a bad situation. We got it because a bunch of Republicans crossed party lines and voted for a Democrat. And some democrats crossed party lines because of racial issues. This is already a confusing mess and things are just starting to roll.

    This is the American way...
  2. Amen. And thank you for the 3 1/2 years you spent on the rivers. Thank you.

  3. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    Welcome home brother. Let me begin by saying I understand where you are coming from. You respect the fact that Barack Hussein Obama because of the majority vote of the citizens of this country is the duly elected president of the United States. I do disagree on the point about "serving" this president.

    I too am a Vietnam vet. I took an oath to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign and domestic and to bear true faith and allegiance to the same. Furthermore I swore to obey all LAWFUL orders of the POTUS and those appointed over me.

    No order which is in violation of the constitution is lawful. Barack Obama is on record as favoring policies which would infringe on those constitutional rights. To the extent that he would attempt such infringement I feel no obligation moral or legal to serve this man in any capacity.

    Currently I view Barack Obama as an enemy of those principles upon which this country was founded. My expectation is that he will not support the constitution in several regards. It is up to him to prove me wrong.
  4. new308handloader

    new308handloader New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Maryville, TN
    I am also an American and will accept who our new leader is….whether I like it or not….and I will abide by the law. As you said, the proper way to change things is to right letters and vote your conscience. However, was it not the intent of the 2nd Amendment to ensure citizens had the right to self defense AND to prevent the government from becoming tyrannical? At what point is the government considered tyrannical? Is it when they take away one or more of the Amendments in the Bill of Rights? …and when it is considered tyrannical, what are we to do about it?
  5. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    That's basically my point also. We have a system of government created by our founding fathers and prescribed in the constitution. Our leaders are chosen by a procedure laid out in that constitution. Does not someone who will not faithfully execute his responsibility to uphold the constitution, surrender a claim to office under that constitution? In other words, doesn't he nullify his election by constitutional procedures when he does not support and defend all of it's (the constitutions) provisions?
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2009
  6. bizy

    bizy New Member

    Dec 17, 2008
    Marlow, Ok
    Don't get me wrong I want to preserve our rights as explained in the "ORIGINAL" constitution. Politicians have butchered our rights and bent it's true meaning. Hopefuly we can hang on to what we have left. No matter how it turns out, I'm gonna keep my guns. We will never loose our human rights of self defense.

    To make a long story short, I think we all agree on one thing. "WE THE PEOPLE" no matter our political views, must all pull together as a whole to preserve the American way of life..

    John Wayne, Apple Pie and O'le Glory!!
  7. RunningOnMT

    RunningOnMT New Member

    Nov 19, 2008
    Akron, Ohio
    Absolutely, and as long as the president upholds the constitution, whether I like him or not...He IS the president.
  8. new308handloader

    new308handloader New Member

    Jan 11, 2009
    Maryville, TN
  9. Forte

    Forte New Member

    Jan 14, 2009
    Thanks for your service to our country :)
  10. For me it was 9 1/2 months in the Jungles & mountains of I Corps.

    Welcome home Brother. [​IMG]
  11. Ed K

    Ed K Member

    Jan 4, 2008
    the new presidend should be shown the same respect and treatment that the bush haters have given a REAL PRESIDENT Geo.Bush
  12. pl1215

    pl1215 New Member

    Jan 23, 2009
    I served in Nam with the 554 Engineer Batalion 67-68 and I am extremely in favor of preserving our constitution and especially the first ten amendments. I wrote a book about what could happen if we gave up many our rights to feel safe from terrorism. I disagree about the right to carry permit though. If everyone gets a permit and guns are banned (God forbid!); they will know exactly where to look to confiscate.

    "Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar."
    - Julius Caesar
  13. Doug.38PR

    Doug.38PR Member

    Oct 21, 2008
    North Louisiana
    What's an American these days? To our current elites, an American is any warm body from anywhere on the globe. We are the third world flop house or slaves in an economic institution. To say American doesn't really mean anything anymore.

    I'm a Southerner. I am a Texan or Louisianian. That is my culture and people and I fight to defend it. Let multiculturalists and socialists in Kalifornia and New York do what they will, I have no regard for them (although they have enough regard for themselves to go around) except to leave them alone to their little world.

    Back in the election I said Ron Paul or nothing. To Hell with Obama and To Hell with McCain
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2009
  14. thomas44

    thomas44 New Member

    Mar 16, 2008
    Obama is a Trojan Horse and he's unloading all his socialist buddies in D.C. to begin the destruction of America. I don't "serve" the President, I serve my country in spite of who happens to be in place in the government. I'm sure closing down GTMO will make all the liberals "feel" better, and after all, isn't that what's most important ?
  15. There you go again, Doug, painting us all with the same brush. I can't blame you for seeing us all through jaundiced eyes but believe me we're not ALL multi-cultural socialist here. I can't speak for New Yorkers, as they've voted for Hillary and Chuck, but not all Californians are like how you describe us. We've given the country Reagan, and some very pro-gun people. Nearly all of our Reps in Congress are Republicans from So Cal. Northern California is a different story. There's be a movement afoot to separate the state into two.
    I don't view Southerners as country bumpkins and hillbillies as they've been portrayed in countless movies, etc.. That would be highly prejudiced and unfair. I have always liked the Southerners I've met. I have relatives from the South.
    I, too, voted Ron Paul. That merely turned out to be a wasted vote. Hold up a bit on the blanket statements, OK? I am impressed by your fervor, but not always with your conclusions and generalizations. I never have met anyone who said that they've voted for Clinton OR Obama, and only one who voted for Kerry, so there you go. We are all Americans (with a couple of Brits thrown in), and are like-minded or we wouldn't be here on TFF. TJ
    Last edited: Jan 24, 2009
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