I am an American

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by bizy, Jan 21, 2009.

  1. Hells Toy Master

    Hells Toy Master New Member

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    Fist off I would like to thank every Person who serves this Nation by fighting the forces of evil, wether they be comunistis in Nam or they be crack heads down the street, bolth are a great service to this nation.

    Doug, that is your right and I fully suport your right to do so, but I personaly disagree.

    Ron Paul had ALOT of good Ideas but he did not have enough going for him...

    Ron Paul suffered the most from the one abiltiy that every Republican canidite has lacked since Reagen.... And thats the ability to speak to the amarican people...

    Obama has been able to fake it, .... and the only Person That I have seen that can do so is Palin.

    But Im rambling...

    Anyways Doug, I belive that somtimes we need to slow the bleeding however we can and I voted for the snake becasue I think he would be marginaly less...

    My thoughts,

    Kindly

    HTM
  2. bizy

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    An American isn't always a U.S. citizen. An American is a mind set that tolerates/accepts people for who or what they are. One who stands up for their country and their beliefs. A person that protects his family and property. And most of all a person that followers the leaders elected by the majority of the citizens.

    Last but by no means least, the right to own and carry firearms for the protection of self and property.
  3. thomas44

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    I believe it's a common misconception that politicians are "leaders". They're supposed to be "representatives", or in the case of the President, an executive. I wouldn't "follow" the vast majority of politicians in Washington because in my humble opinion they're a bunch of self-serving snakes in the grass, with a moral compass that changes direction with every poll and focus group. So, I guess I'm not much of an American in your view.
  4. bizy

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    Hey, thomas44.. Please, don't get the wrong idea. You are probably a great American. It is just that we don't have that much of a choice. We just gotta make the best of a bad situation. You are right about politicians being a snake in the grass.. They flip flop all over the place.

    Bush 1 - Read My Lips! No New Taxes.
    Clinton - I did not have sex with that woman, AND, I didn't inhale.
    Bush 2 - Same sex marriage is OK, not OK, is OK.

    Flip Floping is the uniform of the day.

    At least we can speak our mind on this forum without reprisal, 1st ammendment... Most of us own and/or carry guns, 2nd ammendment.
  5. Doug.38PR

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    I don't mean everybody in Kalifornia is a socialist multiculturalist queer. I NEVER said that. Lots of people in said places are true Americans. Unfortunatly, they are few and far between enough that the majority of the state is run by the above said undesirable tyrants. They keep getting elected by somebody. Just because good people live in occupied territory doesn't mean that the rest of us in more American states have to suffer being in the same nation under the same imperial umbrella and it's unjust laws.


    Hells Toy Master,
    1) Ron Paul had a lot going for him, it was the media and republican leadership that purposefully obscured him and ridiculed him and...I think ran McCain to the front of the line ahead of Paul by rigging state electoral colleges. You will never convince me that Ron Paul who won each news dabate ahead of everybody else wasn't didn't have what it takes and John McCain who was at the bottom in the debates was the prefered by the American people. 2) The fact that we supposedly need an actor that looks good on camera to make Americans "feel good" in order to get anything done says just how far we have fallen as people. It's all about charisma. BUT, in all honesty, Ron Paul came across well to me. He explained his positions well, he came across as non-egotistical (he wasn't in this for himself but rather for the cause) unlike the others and came across as an honest down to earth fellow.
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  6. Teejay9

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    Doug, I accept your explanation, and agree up to a point. It is, after all, the Left Coast, and the home of some Very misguided people. I would like a list of the "more American States" as you put it. Maybe someday I'll be relocated and I'll want to move to a good spot. TJ
  7. new308handloader

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    Ron did have some good ideas....and if just prior to voting time he had enough support to have been competitive in the race then I may have voted for him. A week before the election I had a Ron Paul worker call me and ask me to vote for him...this was my response
    "At this time Ron as absolutely no chance of winning...it is currently between Obama and McCain....and Obama is now slightly ahead. A vote for Ron would not only be a wasted vote, but it might as well be a vote for Obama. Instead of calling me and asking me to vote for Ron, please call all of your supporters and ask them to vote for McCain. Ron sides more with McCain than with Obama and by asking the supporters to vote for him at this point is going to hurt the country".
    ...and obviously it did....I have to wonder if the outcome would have been different if all that voted for Ron had voted for McCain.
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    I'm with you bizy...this is how I feel. I'm not sure what it is going to take to keep them, but as long as I'm alive I will keep them.
    I believe the intent of the 2nd Ammendment was to ensure the people had the right of self defense AND to prevent the government from becoming tyranical.
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    You're still so negative. How about this: "I have to wonder how the outcome would have been different if all that voted for McCain had voted for Ron."

    Now that's something that we would have been able to smile about.
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    You are right...I can be open minded and look at it that way. I think everyone on TFF believes we would be better off (as far as 2nd Ammendment rights) if McCain or Ron Paul had won instead of Obama. But, what's done is done.
  11. Doug.38PR

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    Well, the very fact that McCain lost because of all the people that voted for Paul or some other third party or just stayed home should tell you something about how wasted YOUR vote for McCain really was. Not because he lost, but because people are so tired of trusting in a party that talks out of both sides of it's mouth and is, when it comes right down to it, is as bad as the Democrats.
    If I had to make the same choice again, I would vote for Paul again



    TeeJ9,
    List? Well, let me just say regions. I've never lived there, but from what I know the Western Mountain States would be real American (New Mexico and even Colorado is starting to go downhill with all the sewage that is moving out there from Mexico, the Northeast and Kalifornia). The Southern States (avoid South Florida and any of the big cities like Houston, Austin, Dallas, Atlanta, New Orleans, etc.) and....Alaska. Avoid the Northeast, Midwest and, as you know, Left Coast. A better list would be to look at the election map of 2000. Avoid blue states and counties. Seek red ones
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  12. Teejay9

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    Good enough, Doug. I would avoid, as I have all my life, any and all big cities. I got a laugh out of "South Florida!" That's a "roger" on that. OY! I enjoy sparing with you, and hope that you take my comments in the spirit that they are meant. I really do know some fine people here in SoCal, and it really was rural when I moved here. Now, not so much. It does bug me that the place is over-run with imbeciles. TJ
  13. Doug.38PR

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    What ever happened to California? You know, the state that gave us Roy Rogers, Gene Autry, Ronald Reagan? (before it became Kalifornia)


    Someone was talking to my dad a while back how when they lived in Austin, TX 50 years ago, it was a good ol' Texas town (you know, the kinda men that grabbed guns out of their vehicles and helped keep Charles Whitman pinned down in the UT tower), when he came back in the 1970s...it was a Kalifornized and is to this day.
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