I am new here, and AMAZED at this

Discussion in 'The Ammo & Reloading Forum' started by brandonamyshort, May 6, 2009.

  1. brandonamyshort

    brandonamyshort New Member

    May 6, 2009
    so, I have looked at your posts for a while now.
    and recently realized that there are no posts on the subjects of ammunition shortage!!!!!!!!!

    What is the deal?

    Why is no one concerned?

    I can barely buy primers etc (we drive 4+hours) just to find primers brass etc.

    Why are none of the gun magazines writing about this?

    it has been like 4 months now. I understand the majority of it is due to people stockpiling, but come-on, why aren't we seeing news releases from remington, winchester, cci, etc as to why they can't keep up with demand.

    I guess I am just saying, I thought this would be the subject of everyones discussion. but......? (maybe it is just all of arizona that does not have reloading supplies, ammunition on the shelves)
  2. gdmoody

    gdmoody Moderator Supporting Member

    Sep 7, 2007
    Athens, Georgia
    Welcome brandon, actually there are several posts on the shortage of ammo. I commented on one a few minutes ago. It is not only in Arizona, it seem to be short over the whole country. I have seen posts,on the forum, from several states of folks who are concerned.

    EDIT: If you will do a search of AMMO SHORTAGE, you will see several threads dedicated to that subject.
    Last edited: May 6, 2009

  3. graehaven

    graehaven Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2007
    Rochester, NY
    When you have a TEN fold increase in demand, NO industry is going to be able to keep up a supply. Even over many months. Here's what I said in one of the threads on the subject....

    There are some 80 million gun owners in the USA. Not all of them are regular shooters, or buy ammo regularly. I'll bet that less than 10 percent of them do.

    So, let's be generous, let's say that 10 percent, or 8 million people, shoot regularly and buy ammo regularly. During normal buy/sell activity, and before the election of a Marxist whacko, the supply line for ammo is fine. Manufacturers can meet demand and be profitable.

    Now, go back to Thanksgiving weekend of 2008. The gun owning "market/consumer" of 80 million people begins to internalize the ramifications of electing Obama (a complete ANTI-gun president), and decide maybe they'd better "stock up" a bit on ammo.

    If there was even a 100 percent increase in purchasing, or an additional 8 million people started buying, then shelves would be cleaned out at every outlet almost immediately.

    ONCE that started happening, the rest of the gun owning public gets on board, or at least a significant number of them do - and TA-DAAAAA! - we have an ammo "shortage."
  4. TranterUK

    TranterUK Guest

    What were the voters thinking?

    Re the comment top, there have been several threads and many posts on the ammo shortage in the US. Perhaps you were looking in the wrong places..
  5. graehaven

    graehaven Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2007
    Rochester, NY
    It's easy, when you have a media that is in love with Obama.

    It's easier still when less than half of the eligible voting population actually votes.

    Many don't care as long as you don't interrupt their ability to buy junk food and watch sports on TV.
  6. TranterUK

    TranterUK Guest

    Its not only the US that suffers from that one. Too few people care any more. I dont understand it but hey, what do I know?
  7. jerryp01

    jerryp01 New Member

    Jan 24, 2009
    Ocklawaha, FL
    Trust me. Finding primers local or on line is almost impossible. I have done every search there is to find them on line from all the suppliers that I can think of. Unless you are willing to pay 3 times the regular price (*********.com) forget it for the next few months or longer. Bullets are not a problem. If you need these let me know and I will put you on a site that has a large supply of pistol cast lead, jacketed HP or FMJ.
  8. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    I recently talked with a large wholesale supplier of components. The estimated wait time last January for Winchester primers was 6 months. I ordered a couple of cases of mixed primers back then and the backorder is only half filled 4 months later. I got the large pistol and rifle primers but still no small pistol and rifle primers (those are the ones used by the Military for 9 mm and 223).

    Bullets are the same story but the wait on some less popular bullets is less. Some of my bullet order is 4 months and still backorder. I have been trying to get a reasonable supply of the Winchester 147gr FMJ 308 bullet for well over a year! This is not even the predominantly used bullet by our troops in the desert and it has been unobtainable.

    I ordered large canisters of powder in January and that took 4 months from Hodgdon thorugh a distributor. I finally cancelled the Accurate Arms #9 powder after 4 months waiting.

    There have been a couple of newspaper articles and TV stories that I have seen about the gun and ammo shortage in the media but none on the reloading components shortage.

    The media, that loves Obama, doesn't want any negativity about the Obama election to be put forth that might tarnish the Love Obama Fest. The media wants him to succeed and will continually fail to report any Obama negativity. If the Republicans had used the economic solutions for the failing economy that the Dems and Obama have put forth then the media would be livid.

    I wonder how history is going to rate the Obama years; I would bet it will be as the beginning of the fall of the USA! I guess it happens to all societies. I just hate it was on my watch and how it will impact my kids and their kids and their kids. We have allowed this administration and congress to doom them all.

  9. Rembrandt

    Rembrandt Member

    Jul 4, 2001
    Maybe it's a regional thing, but I'm finding everything I need at the big box retail outlets (Cabela's, Scheels, etc) and smaller Mom & Pop shops.

    Don't waste your time with online shopping, too much competition and the lines are long. I stopped at (2) Cabelas, (2) Gander Mountains, and (3) Scheels over two days last week.....this is what I found.....

    It's out there.....plenty of ammo on the shelves. My problem isn't finding components, it's keeping the bank account replenished. $3500+ since the first of the year.

    Last edited: May 9, 2009
  10. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    jerryp, how about posting that website, im in need of a new favorite in my favorites;)

    You are absolutely right rembrandt, I went into one of my nearly daily gun shop stops yesterday and bought 6000 CCI primers (1000 SRM, 1000 SPM, 2000 LPM, and 2000 LRM) spent just over 140 bucks and left with the 6K primers and a partial box of 8mm mauser shells as well as some vintage 1944 8mm mauser on stripper clips (2 clips). I shouldnt have to restock my primer supply for a whole year...:D
  11. Freebore

    Freebore Member

    Apr 18, 2009
    Land of the Free
    Well, I believe this shortage is going to last awhile, it seems that even though manufactuers are running 24/7, and many reloaders have a sufficient supply of components, they continue to stockpile, obviously expecting the worst.

    At a recent gun show one of the sellers had a good supply of components primers,etc. but his table was quickly depleted, some individuals were buying a lot more than neccesary (maybe to re-sell) and had the screw everyone else attitude.

    I think another cause for primer shortages is that most shops around here only sell primers per 1K, maybe if they went back to single 100 boxes, this could help ease the demand to the suppliers.

    I'm going to a show in the morning and I'll follow up with any helpful news.
  12. LDBennett

    LDBennett Well-Known Member

    Dec 20, 2003
    Hesperia, CA
    Why should a reloader share the current stock by limiting his purchase when the window of opportunity to even buy components may close completely in the near future? I think a reloader should stock up on as much as he thinks he will need for at least this and perhaps the next presidential and congressional election cycles. While the component supply may be shut off we may have an opportunity to fix it once we get the socialist out of office.

    The more we buy now the longer the manufactures will run at full production levels and the more we will get into more people's hands. Curtailing buying (personally initiated rationing) will reduce the supply in the hands of the "unwashed masses", you and me. Then, when they close the reloading components gate, all of us will run out of components earlier.

    This is all a terrible situation and it is the fault of those who did not vote for McCain because he was not conservative enough.

    As the Supreme Court Justices die off or retire, the liberals will put socialistic big government, left leaning judges on the court and it may take multiple decades (or maybe never) to get back to the judges that believe in the Constitution as it was written, not as a "living document". The future may be grim!

  13. JLA

    JLA Well-Known Member

    Feb 26, 2007
    Heart Of Texas
    Well Put LD, and I couldnt agree more... My advice to everyone is to continue to buy until there is nothing left to buy. In the end you will have 200,000 primers and 5 or 800 pounds of powder. or more and it still may not be enough...
  14. Railroad Bob

    Railroad Bob New Member Supporting Member

    May 13, 2009
    Southern Calif.
    First post for me; this seemed like a good place to chime in--looks like I am around like-minded men. Agree with Mr. Rembrandt about today's times having a way of stressing our bank accounts! I don't even want to think about what I've dropped this year so far, but money well spent, eh? Those "home equity lines of credit" are good to have! So, along with lots of various ammo, yesterday I started the paperwork on 2 new CZ rifles; a fabulous .22 rifle (Model 452) and for those times when I need a little more "steam" a CZ550 in .375 H&H. Make some room in the safe! Anyway, glad to be aboard and best wishes to all... RR Bob
  15. RustyFN

    RustyFN Member

    Oct 2, 2008
    West Virginia
    What, is there a ammo shortage?






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