I have no words for this one

Discussion in 'The Fire For Effect and Totally Politically Incorr' started by jack404, Oct 9, 2012.

  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    except that anyone who defends islam defends this garbage
    Girls between 4 and 16 traded like cattle to settle a murder

    forced marriage or sexual servitude ( forced prostitution)
    all good in islam

    QUETTA: As many as 13 young girls have been bartered to settle a blood feud between two tribes in Dera Bugti district of Balochistan, officials and tribal elders said on Monday.
    The girls — aged between four and 16 — were given in Vani by a tribal jirga which arbitrated a five-month-old blood feud between the Baloch tribes of Masoori and Shahwani Masoori. Both are sub-clans of the Bugti tribe.
    Mir Tariq Masoori Bugti, a lawmaker in the Balochistan Assembly, is said to have conducted the jirga, which was attended by tribal elders and notable locals, in the Baikar area of Phelawagh.
    Due to conflicting statements, the date of the Jirga is still not clear. Two tribal elders, however, told the BBC Urdu Service that it was either convened on September 3 or 4.
    According to them, Masoori tribesman Roshan Khan had murdered Mira Khan, a Shahani Masoori tribesman. The jirga declared Roshan Khan guilty and ruled that his tribe give 13 girls in Vani to the offended family besides an Rs3 million fine.
    Vani is a tribal custom in which girls are forcibly married off to settle tribal feuds.
    A senior official based in Dera Bugti confirmed the girls were bartered and that they were aged between four and 16.
    Mir Sarfraz Khan Masoori Bugti, a cousin of Mir Tariq, also concurred that the lawmaker convened the jirga and that the girls given in Vani were less than 16 years of age.
    Condemning the morbid tradition, Mir Sarfraz called upon the chief justice of Pakistan to take suo motu notice of the incident.
    According to Ghulam Nabi Shahani, an elder of the Shahani Masoori Bugti tribe, several participants of the jirga have also confirmed the harrowing episode.
    Mir Tariq, however, has denied conducting any jirga despite reports that the first tranche of the Rs3million fine has already been paid to the offended party.
    Interestingly, Mir Tariq defended the jirga system’s reconciliatory powers. According to him, it helps resolve local feuds and maintain peace and harmony in the society.
    Following media reports, Dera Bugti’s Assistant Commissioner Qasim Naveed Bugti formed an inquiry committee headed by Tehsildar Atta Muhammad to further probe the matter.
    Published in The Express Tribune, October 9th, 2012.
  2. Maine04657

    Maine04657 New Member

    Sep 13, 2012
    Just to play devils advocate here but people ( christians ) from here in the USA are spending time and money in Africa making homosexuality a crime and guess what they are not only endorphin JAIL time for being homosexual but also the DEATH PENALTY. I may also remind you the mass sexual abuse of young boys right here in America. While the latter was not endorsed ( publicly ) by the church it was covered up and not reported by them.

    Those who seek to cry out about in this case muslims are many of the ones who where not outspoken about the abuses here or by the church here elsewhere.

    I do not defend any of these actions. But ask yourself how many people no longer attend the church here in the USA after what we know for a fact they did?

  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    we had a similar group here

    tossed em out

    toss out all evil

    or sit back and just complain and do nothing then put blame there as a diversion from another evil

    thats endorsement ..

    you ever gone to one of these "Churches" and done anything ??

    then your a part of the problem

    i'm as critical of my own faith as i am at islam , but the two cant be compared

    in two days islam has in the news killed kids published kiddys books on how to make molotovs and become a martyr and how to kill folks like you

    show me one Christian church ever to ever do anything like that

    and dont drag up cults like the peoples temples

    they're the same as islam ,

    just cults
  4. Maine04657

    Maine04657 New Member

    Sep 13, 2012
    All religions are cults just to different degrees of severity.

    As for the churches actions over the years they have done everything form kidnapping a Jewish child ( the pope raised him as his own ) to murdering those who do not take the faith or practice another faith.
  5. FreeSovereign

    FreeSovereign New Member

    Jul 18, 2012
    Where is the link or source Jack? It is helpful to have a link to send to others.
  6. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    No one here will stand up for any of the human chattel, or child abuse, that goes on in the world. The difference is that in most Christain countries this is illegal. It may happen anyway, but if they can catch you, you go to jail. By muslim law, it's not illegal, but sanctioned by the muslim leaders.
  7. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    i asked you to show me eh so no proof just more derission

    Mr Maine ,

    typical run to the defence of islam by blaming others but then cant show proof of the claims

    theres been evil done by every church, as they are run by men and men do bad things they also do good things but you'll never see that your too busy defending pedofilew loving cults while blaming others for the worlds evils i suppose the crusade where a evil Christian thing too huh ??

    Free Sovereign

    for the source in english and not blotochi

    try here

    Last edited: Oct 10, 2012
  8. Maine04657

    Maine04657 New Member

    Sep 13, 2012
    I am NOT defending anyone. I am simply pointing out that ALL religions have issues. Personally I think there shoudl be no religion. IMHO it woudl be far better for man as a race to spend more time on life itself instead of worrying about what you need to do or how you must act to get into a place of myth and then have to live there FOREVER!!! Even if you had all you ever wanted in such a place can you even imagine the suffering of having to live there FOREVER? Life is what we get use it live it enjoy it as it does not last and it has a end.
  9. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Aref you an atheist?
  10. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

    Really Carver. After that statement you really had to ask?

    Maine, your not gonna get much support here with that belief. I respect your right to believe what you want, but I'm warning you now, don't start pushing that crap here bud
  11. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    That was bait!:D
  12. al45lc

    al45lc Active Member

    Mar 8, 2010
    colorful colorado
    The comparison is NOT analogous, you speak of criminal and IMMORAL activity by Christians against Jack's report of similar activity SUPPORTED by the religion of Islam.
    The fact that a church tries to cover it up shows directly that they knew it wouldn't be supported by the people, whereas the Islamic leaders CAME UP with this idea of bartering in female children.
    Your analogy is false, and illogical.

    Maine, your not gonna get much support here with that belief. I respect your right to believe what you want, but I'm warning you now, don't start pushing that crap here bud[/QUOTE]

    If you "warn" him to NOT do it, you are in effect censoring him and therfore do NOT respect his beliefs.
    You can't have it both ways.
  13. Double D

    Double D Administrator Staff Member Supporting Member

    Jul 16, 2009
    North Florida
    Look, bottom line is everyone is entitled to their own belief but you do have to take into consideration that you have come to a privately owned firearms site that has its own forum pastor and I think its safe to say that the strong majority here are christian or are very tolerant of the christian belief. While there is nothing wrong with you believing the way you do, you will not get any support here and it will most likely be met with a strong opposition that will probably lead to strong disagreements which in turn normally go south in a hurry and turn ugly, forcing us to censor the threads and reprimand someone. Comparing the muslim religion to christianity is pure nonsense and anyone with half a brain knows that its not even justifiably an equal discussion. Jack has studied Islam and debated these people for many years and can give you all of the inside facts about this ruthless organization they call a religion. There is no place for comparison. Continuing to belittle the majority of the members faith here will not win you any friends anytime soon...trust me.
  14. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

    Sure I can, libs do it everyday. You know, how the whale wants no guns but her kids body guard carrys one.

    And your right, I DO NOT respect his belief. I respect that he has a right to believe it. But I do not respect it in itself. I respect the right of libs to tell me that guns are evil. I do not respect that belief either. But they have the right to believe it. Do you understand the difference? Or should I try to come up with another analogy?
  15. Appliancedude

    Appliancedude Well-Known Member

    DD, I tried to type just this sentiment and deleted it 4 times. You wrote it out much better than my failed attempts. All my attempts went sour. This was in effect what my "warning" about. I do no respect your belief, but I do respect that you have a right to believe it. If that makes any sense. But pushing that belief here will not make you many friends.
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