HD, I fully understand the oath taken, the implications and length of term implied by that oath, and what the organization is called. Read their "Declaration of orders we will not follow". Now how does that declaration apply to retirees, Vets, or Firemen? As I pointed out above it doesn't. They do not and will not receive orders that they will have to disobey. My question is why on earth would any of them send money to this organization? What are their benefits of membership? What is the money used for? And do you really believe that someone sending this organization money means they, more than anyone else will stand to protect you? My personal experience has shown me that those who profess the most perform the least. What do you have against your so called Jack Booted Thugs? Do you believe all Feds are such (assuming thats who you mean, thats generally the implication)? Almost everyone of them I know (and thats not a small number)are truly stand up people. They do what they do because of what they believe in. It surely isn't for the money, it's not that great.