I really want input on this one

Discussion in 'The Constitutional & RKBA Forum' started by lentz, Jul 15, 2010.

  1. lentz

    lentz Former Guest

    Mar 12, 2010
    When a man goes to prison,feloney especially,after he is turned out he can't own a firearm again.I feel if he did his time,he should start with clean slate.
    If not he never accually paid his debt to society.
    How do you see it? Does he have rights after paying his due or not?
  2. Shopnut

    Shopnut Former Guest

    Jun 13, 2010
    Pac NW
    There are many kinds of crime. Was this a violent crime? As far as I am concerned, if a person chooses to commit a violent felony against a person and injures them, then they should pay for that crime for as long as they live. Unless they are pardoned, then they are an ex-convict for as long as they are out of prison. I am all for denying them the right to vote and own a gun.

  3. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

    Jan 11, 2010
    depends on the crime ..
    my only criminal charge came ( and was dropped) when i defended a lady against her boyfriend ( supposed), but if that court hearing did not go my way ( he counter claimed i assaulted him for no reason, and thought his GF would back him.. dunce)

    i'd be in that book of criminal

    i'd hope i got a fair look at in all those issues

    but agree many should lose the right of gun's and a say in society , if not their right to breath.. , folks may not like eye for a eye justice , but it does work.
  4. wyoredot

    wyoredot New Member

    Dec 16, 2009
    Agreed, the crime should determine the likelyhood of ever owning a firearm again. If there was violence involved against someone without provocation for instance....
  5. Jim K

    Jim K New Member

    Dec 6, 2009
    There are many people, mainly "liberals" who agree that once a person is out of prison, all his/her rights should be restored. But none ever mention the right to keep and bear arms, maybe because they don't think anyone should have that right, or maybe because they don't really believe, deep down, that ex-cons are "reformed."

  6. lentz

    lentz Former Guest

    Mar 12, 2010
    Reason for ths post,is so I can answer my 11 yr. olds question.It's hard to say "Well they should of hung him",and let it go at that. But after talking with her,I am trending to the idea that if they served their sentence.Then they are citizens in the eyes of the Law.And should have the same rights.Or they shouldn't have been released.
  7. pickenup

    pickenup Active Member

  8. The_Rifleman

    The_Rifleman Active Member

    Feb 10, 2010
    In the USA...
    Bill of Rights

    It says, "the right of the people." It does not say the right of (law abiding citizens,) (librarians,) or (Sunday school teachers.)

    In order for "the people" to insure "the security of a free State," the "State" cannot dictate which "people" have or have not the "right" to "bear Arms."

    ONLY by an additional amendment striking down the 2nd, can it be otherwise.

    This reminds me of The Patriot when the son upon seeing the cutthroat Militia recruits exclaims, "This is not the sort we need." His father replies, "This is exactly the sort we need."
  9. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Why do you carry a gun? You carry one because you don't want to be a victim, nor do you want a member of your family to become a victim, if you can stop it. Like The Rifleman said, "the right of the people." It does not say the right of (law abiding citizens,) (librarians,) or (Sunday school teachers.) And it doesn't say that convicted felons can not own a firearm. If a man/woman commits a crime, and have been sent to prision, have served their time, paid their debt to society, completed probation, then all rights should be restored to them. They have paid the price. If they then try to commit a crime against you, or your family ..............., Well, that's the reason you carry!
  10. grampawmike

    grampawmike New Member

    May 23, 2010
    Mojave Desert, CA
    I may be looking at this from a point of view different than most. I was a LEO for a little over 35 years. I worked primarily in the area in which I grew up and lived. I knew many of the people I came into contact with, in many cases I had known them from the time I was 10 years old or so. One man in particular sticks in my mind. I had known the family for years, played, partied and worked with many members as we grew up together. Worked with one brother that was also a LEO. While at a party held for a family member (of theirs) this individual pulled me off to the side and explained that we knew each other, were long time friends, that he had been arrested many times for drugs and assaults, and BEGGED me to never come after him if he were under the influence. His reason? He knew that he was addicted, knew that he was violent when high, and explained that he never wanted the situation to arise that one of us would have to kill the other. He knew, and told me that he knew he that he would try to kill any officer that attempted to arrest him when he was high, including me, and didn't want his mother to go through pain of either of us getting hurt and one probably dead. Another officer shot him about four years later.
    Another friend (that still lives just down the road from me) had frequently asked a 14 year old kid to stop harassing his dogs. His big dogs. Great Danes. The kid continued. My friend contacted the parents on numerous occasions regarding the problem, advising that their child could be severely injured if one of the big guys got loose during the harassment, all to no avail. The kid kept at it. Finally, my friend, in frustration, popped the kid in the butt with a BB gun during one of his 'games'. The cops were called and my friend went to jail for assault with a deadly weapon. He was convicted.

    My point is that both of these guys had been charged with a similar offense. One should never have had a gun, the other can never legally have one now. One is gone, the other...I don't ask, but I have no problem with the idea that he may have one or two guns in his home. The law simply cannot be made to determine different levels of punishment for each individual convicted of the same charge. If a man earning $1000 a month is fined $100 for going thru a red light.......it hurts him one hell of a lot more that a man receiving the same fine for the same offense that earns $5000 a month. Same offense, same fine. I may not totally agree, but that's the way the law is, and it is not practical for the courts to take the time to delve into a person's mind set, attitude and personallity upon their conviction. At least not the common man that hasn't the big bucks to hire a powerful attorney. JMHO Mike
  11. graehaven

    graehaven Well-Known Member

    May 26, 2007
    Rochester, NY
    Right on.

    The issue is the true punishment of violent criminals. If we'd just execute them, as they should be, there'd be a lot LESS crime.
  12. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    Three Cheers for Graehaven! If the folks sent to prison were put to hard labor, no TV's, no gym, no books, just labor, they would think twice before doing anything that would get them sent back.
  13. carver

    carver Moderator Supporting Member

    grampawmike, that is a sad tale. I know that stories like this have to hurt. But what if the friend had been sentenced to hard labor, for a long time for his crimes. He would have been released drug free. It would have been his choice to return to the drugs that got him put in prision in the first place. Would it have made a difference, maybe, maybe not. But this man knew where he was going, and accepted it. As a convicted felon, could he have gotten his hands on a gun? Sure he could, and probably had one at the time he was telling you not to come after him. It was his choice, and he paid for that choice. And that's the way it should be.
  14. Thanks for wording it that way grampaw, I've been chewing on this one for a little while. I don't know if we can afford to be so staunch here. Let me throw another one into the mix. What do you guys think about getting into bar fights? Are folks here of the opinion such warrants an assault charge? Personally I don't believe it does unless it's really under extreme conditions. But here is the point, it doesn't have to be a felony to take your gun rights, because it's a violent offense. Now move us a little down the road towards socialism, and three people I know, two being vets who were arrested, one being a friend going through a divorce. Why the friend going through the divorce? On word of mouth of their spouse that they feared repercussion or retribution, etc.

    I myself almost experienced the whole word of mouth thing, so I know how close we ALL are to our second amendment- and close to having it gone as well.

    I say, if it be a hanging offense (or shoulda been)- we'll say rape, child molestation, attempted murder, etc, let those things be clearly defined -and yeah, if libs wanna try their experiment with making them human again, can't say I agree 100%, but we can disarm them. Don't ever broaden the terms, say -any violent crime, or -any mentally unstable person; ie, socialize the terms of justice! -Or someday we'll all get the socialized reward...

    There are two justice systems trying to work side by side these days- the old and the new- only it doesn't work with one constantly trying to usurp the others prominence in our law.

    The best answer to me is to bring back the honor our system used to have- and the integrity of being a man in it. Take this swill nowadays- pandering, degrading bs, it's no wonder people come back through the system.
  15. That's it Carver- that's what I mean!
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