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  1. jack404

    jack404 Former Guest

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    well doing some research on this for you all i found this ...

    sorta makes you think huh ??

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    STEAL THE VOTE

    Soros-funded terrorist, ACORN pushed felon vote

    Now Democrats in Congress pushing bill to restore rights to convicts
    Posted: July 19, 2010
    9:22 pm Eastern

    By Aaron Klein
    © 2010 WorldNetDaily





    A federal bill that seeks to restore voting rights in national elections to felons released from prison has been a pet project of one of the most dangerous members of Bill Ayers' Weather Underground domestic terrorist group, WND has learned.

    Linda Evans, who herself served 15 years of a 40-year federal sentence, pushed the plan of registering convicted felons along with the radical Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN. She is a recipient of the Soros Justice Fellowship, bestowed by philanthropist George Soros.

    Evans was arrested in 1985 transporting 740 pounds of explosives which she acknowledged was slated for use by the Weather Underground in bombings of U.S. government buildings. Targets of her terrorist group's activities included the U.S. Capitol building, the National War College, the Navy Yard Computer Center and Navy Yard Officers Club, and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association.

    The hot new best-seller, "The Manchurian President," by Aaron Klein reveals inside story on Team Obama and its members. Now available autographed at WND's Superstore!

    At a conference for Ayers' Students for a Democratic Society in late August 1969, Evans famously described being shown a Viet Cong anti-aircraft gun which she said she had cradled in her arms while stating she had wished for an American airplane to fly overhead. She reportedly closed with an emotional speech about being a communist, according to unclassified FBI files on Ayers' group.

    President Clinton pardoned Evans in January 2001.

    President Obama's attorney general, Eric Holder, reportedly was instrumental in securing Evans pardon. As Deputy Attorney General under Clinton, the Washington Post credited him with being "the gatekeeper for presidential pardons." Holder reportedly was a key figure entrusted with the task of vetting Clinton's 176 last-minute pardons that included Evans.

    After leaving prison, Evans became co-director of the San Francisco-based non-profit All of Us or None, a Saul Alinsky-style national organizing initiative of prisoners, former prisoners and felons. The organization claims it is seeking to combat "the many forms of discrimination" faced by the prison community.

    Evans since has been at the center of voter registration drives for former prisoners, including drives organized alongside ACORN.

    During the 2008 presidential campaign, for example, Evans' group sponsored chapters throughout California that held drives in Alameda, Sacramento, Orange, San Mateo, Los Angeles and San Diego counties.

    "Laws that directly affect inmates will be decided this November, so please share this information and encourage them to vote," Evans was quoted as telling the San Francisco Bay View at the time.

    In one August 2008 drive, Evans' group provided voter information in visitor lines at San Diego Central Jail as a joint effort with ACORN. The two organizations worked together on a slew of other voter registration drives.

    Evans' group led the charge in 2006 that took the debate about felons voting rights in California to court. In December 2006, the California Court of Appeal ordered the secretary of state to inform election officials that "the only persons disqualified from voting are those who have been imprisoned in state prison, or who are on parole as a result of the conviction of a felony."

    Now a federal bill seeks to restore voter rights to felons nationally. The Democracy Restoration Act was introduced by Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., and Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich. The bill would restore federal voting rights to felons who have served their sentences.

    The information comes as a study released earlier this month by Minnesota Majority, a watchdog group, found the six-month election recount that determined Al Franken won the Minnesota Senate seat may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally.

    In March, the Senate Judiciary Committee held a hearing on the bill, reviewing testimony on the subject from the NAACP's Washington bureau director as well as the Brennan Center, a liberal activist group at New York University.

    Obama's campaign briefed on ex-felon drives

    During the 2008 presidential campaign, the New York Times published a profile of ACORN agents working to restore voter rights for felons in a number of states. The group also was advising convicted felons on local laws that allowed them to vote.

    ACORN, convicted in multiple voter-fraud cases, says it disbanded in March due to falling revenues.

    The New York Times noted some felony disenfranchisement laws are held over from exclusionary Jim Crow-era laws, such as poll taxes and ballot box literacy tests, affecting about 5.3 million former and current felons nationally.

    Charles J. Ogletree Jr., a Harvard law professor who served as senior adviser to Obama's presidential campaign on criminal-justice issues, said he had briefed campaign officials about felony disenfranchisement, including how to register felons.

    The Times noted none of the national felony voter-registration organizations interviewed by the newspaper had contacted Republican Sen. John McCain's 2008 presidential campaign for similar briefs on the issue of registering felons.

    Ogletree has been involved in pushing legislation to end felony disenfranchisement.

    WND previously reported Ogletree was a mentor of both Barack and Michelle Obama. He has been closely linked to the Black Panthers and to radical black ideology. He is a key member of the reparations movement and once pursued the possibility of bringing a class-action lawsuit to win reparations for descendants of African slaves.

    Felons gave Franken his seat?

    Last week, FoxNews.com reported felons who voted illegally may have cast the determining ballots in the Minnesota race that put Franken in office.

    An 18-month study by Minnesota Majority found at least 341 convicted felons largely in Minneapolis–St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and incumbent Republican Sen. Norm Coleman.

    After a recount, Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes – fewer votes than the number of felons whose illegal ballots were counted, charged the Minnesota Majority, which matched publicly available conviction lists with voting records.

    The group claimed state and federal authorities were stonewalling efforts for action on its study.



    Amnesty to ensure 'progressive' rule

    The issue of felony registration is not the only controversy to be attached to Obama's 2008 campaign.

    During the campaign, Obama promised to make comprehensive immigration reform a priority. In exchange for his vote on the health-care bill, Obama reiterated the pledge in June to Illinois Rep. Luis Gutierrez, sponsor of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America's Security and Prosperity Bill, which seeks to document up to 12 million illegal immigrants inside the U.S.

    As WND reported, a recent adviser to Obama whose union group is among the most frequent visitors to the White House, Eliseo Medina, declared granting citizenship to millions of illegal immigrants would expand the "progressive" electorate and help ensure a "progressive" governing coalition for the long term.

    Medina, international executive vice president of Service Employees International Union, or SEIU, was referring specifically to Gutierrez's bill.

    "We reform the immigration laws; it puts 12 million people on the path to citizenship and eventually voters," stated Medina, speaking at a June 2009 Washington conference for America's Future Now!

    Medina said that during the presidential election in November 2008, Latinos and immigrants "voted overwhelmingly for progressive candidates. Barack Obama got two out of every three voters that showed up.

    "Can you imagine if we have, even the same ratio, two out of three? Can you imagine 8 million new voters who care about our issues and will be voting?" Medina asked. "We will be creating a governing coalition for the long term, not just for an election cycle."

    SEIU is closely linked to ACORN. Former SEIU President Andrew Stern was the most frequently logged White House visitor, according to an official list released in October. Medina and SEIU are top supporters of Gutierrez's comprehensive immigration-reform bill.

    During the most recent presidential campaign, Medina and Gutierrez served on Obama's National Latino Advisory Council. Also on the council was Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., the co-sponsor of Gutierrez's immigration-reform bill. Medina was a chief lobbyist credited with a change in the longstanding policy of the AFL-CIO, the largest union federation in the U.S. The union reversed its stance against illegal immigration in February 2000, instead calling for new amnesty for millions of illegals.

    The New Zeal blog documented how Medina was honored in 2004 by Chicago's Democratic Socialists of America for his "vital role in the AFL-CIO's reassessment of its immigration policy." That year, Medina became a Democratic Socialists honorary chairman.

    The Democratic Socialists also supported Gutierrez's 1998 bid for Congress. In the mid-1990s, Gutierrez served on the board of Illinois Public Action alongside a number of Democratic Socialists members, including Obama health-care adviser Quentin Young.

    With additional research by Brenda J. Elliott.
  2. jack404

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    John as for your statement a right cannot be taken away

    what the heck happened here in Australia then ??

    i went off to fight and left a gun owning, Christian nation

    i came back to gun control and multiculturalism and told my culture was only 200 years old and had no standing compared to all the others..

    Now My faith is offensive to "others" and i have to keep it circumspect, everything has to be polite,

    except the "others"

    they can and will take your rights if allowed , they'll make laws for social and ethnic groups , they'll make everyone who's a minority exempt from everything , as thats what been going on here , it happened in the EU and UK

    its a pattern,

    with who is now in the white house, its a application for a licence to take all your rights and commit the US to socialism, and come after all those who dissagree..

    your constitution is a amazing thing

    the only thing made by man besides a gun that can guarentee your freedom

    how you vote and rule on it can allow them to do what ever they want..

    protect it keep it safe

    you dont know how lucky you are to have it

    if you act wisely and as a nation you can avoid all we other nations have seen happen to us

    its just too bloody hard to get back , i know i'm trying and bloody hard too, now with lots of help

    but its hard and the reality says we may all be locked up tomorrow here for what we are doing ..

    avoid all this BS if you can , but do not think it cannot happen

    it can and has and they are working on doing just that to the US of A...

    sorry..

    Good Lord keep you all safe and free..
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  3. The_Rifleman

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    No, you're not. You haven't even presented an argument. The constitution IS the law of the land, the only way you can change that is by an amendment. If you can't get beyond that, (and you haven't,) you haven't a pot to p*** in.

    You tried to get passed it in your first comment with,
    but what you still don't understand is The Constitution provides for those rights to be removed via the 4th Amendment, that is why it was said, "constitutionally". NO WHERE does The Constitution provide for removal of the right to bear arms.

    Until you understand that The Constitution trumps "statutory" law, there is nothing left to discuss.
  4. johnlives4christ

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    no, owning a day care is not a right, it like driving a car, is a privilege. drunk drivers should lose their licenses, the first time.

    owning a firearm is a right though. and as jack has said it is one we can lose. and in a lot of ways we have already lost it.

    it used to be that if i wanted to walk around with my rifle or pistol, as long as i wasn't bothering anyone, i was fine to do this. but now if i walk around with a gun, and someone doesnt like it, i am the one that gets chastised. i may even lose my gun to the police officers that respond. doing something simply because it is your right is a thing of the past now days. because others dont like something, we have to conform.

    well i say it's time to stop holding hands and hoping the problem gets better. if we can unite even as little as 1000 people all together at the same time, we could potentially show the government that we are not going to stand for any more gun control.

    once we start to stand for our rights we have to be willing to sacrifice, even our lives, but once they see we're determined we could come to the understanding that we will not be pushed around.

    i say declare war on any and all that try to take away our rights.
  5. The_Rifleman

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    I say we keep on educating people on what their rights are according to The Constitution... Then educate them on why The Constitution IS the law of the land. I cannot fathom why that point is lost on the dissenters.
  6. pops42

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    i have to agree with yall on educating people on there rights,i would bare my guns,all of them to keep our rights
  7. johnlives4christ

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    +1
  8. lawdawg

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    I have to take exception to the comment that a right is not something that can be taken away. If a person commits a crime heinous enough then he can, and should be stripped of certain rights. The right of freedom should be stripped and he should be locked away from society. While he is incarcerated, and even in some cases as a condition of his release from incarceration, he can be stripped of his 4th Amendment rights against warrantless searches and seizures for a certain amount of time. His right to vote in some cases is stripped and should be. Even the most basic of all human rights, the right to life, can be stripped away if he does something to warrant that.

    The reason that people bring up the law when arguing about the 2nd Amendment, is because the 2nd Amendment is just that, a law. You are right that it, as a law, can be changed and that is what we are fighting against. Now whether or not ALL convicted felons or persons convicted of violent crimes should be stripped of their 2nd Amendment rights, probably not. But should we allow some violent thug who gets out of prison on parole (they are letting them out in droves due to prison overcrowding) or his sentence is up, or whatever, to just melt back into society like nothing ever happened without some terms and conditions?

    Basically in this country we should have the right to do whatever we want so long as we do not trespass upon the rights of others. But when we do violate the rights of others, then we should be stripped of our rights as well, in differing measures.
  9. lentz

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    That's it Lawdawg! Your rights end when they infringe upon others.
    +1
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