If the stuff really hits the fan.

Discussion in 'Curio & Relics Forum' started by ski9393, Nov 23, 2009.

  1. hogger129

    hogger129 Active Member

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    One reason why the rest of the world uses them is because they are less expensive to produce. They are also a lot more durable and can adapt to different conditions easier. I'd say in terms of effectiveness and overall accuracy and performance, the M16/M4 is a better weapon. I mean really each has their pros and cons, but I'd say the M4 takes the Gold.
  2. pawn

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    SKS is probably the world's most under-rated battle rifle. IMHO, it is a better rifle than the AK (aside the AK having detachable mags). 7.62 x 39 can be had much cheaper than .223

    Opinions are like bellybuttons, we all have one. SHTF, I would opt for an SKS and put the money saved into ammo. Could be wrong, I frequently am. :eek:
  3. buckeye14

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    I agree with PAWN the SKS is under rated. Cost is low, ammo is cheap, and easy to find because of all the AK's. I also like my MINI 14, it's accurate and lite weight. These are guns for the field. For home, .357.....and 12 gauge.
    what more do you need? buckeye14
  4. hogger129

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    Remington 700 30-06 with a nice scope. Long range sniper shots.
  5. cycloneman

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    Most of the ammo i see in 7.62 x 39 is of the non reload type. Should shtf this ammo will dry up. Importation of this ammo will cease and probably long before shtf will happen. Domestic manufactures will not care about this ammo since they will probably be making 223 and 308's out the a$$. I think ammo is the biggest reason for your decission on what gun you may want to have. A gun without ammo is a paperweight.

    I like the way some people think. I see it all the time. A guy buys a pistol at a cheaper price and says something like "well I bought this cheapie cause I am only going to carry it in the car". What this person is actually saying is that in the worst position I could possibly be in, I will accept a cheap POS to defend my life with. Think about it, does your life not deserve the best you can afford? Also does your life not deserve a weapon you will allways be able to find ammo for?

    How much ammo is enough? When you think you have that one figured out, you dont.
  6. delta13soultaker

    delta13soultaker New Member

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    Depends on Uncle Sam's whim every 3 yrs.
    Because they cannot afford to fit all their men with M4, R4, FAL, G3, or an SA80.
  7. ski9393

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    Wow. Looks like I opened a can of worms. A crappy plan is better than trying to play it by ear. You can never have too much ammo, and you will never have enough ammo (for the shtf situation), food, MRE's are great, stock up on them. When you run out, I hope you can hunt or fish. Water, maybe more important than food, hope that you have a semi clean creek near you and some way to purify the water you take outta the creek. In the case of nukes, I don't know what to tell you about the water, but you probably won't last long anyway, so drink up and hope for the best. I'm sure there will be alot you will have not thought of anyway, and have to improvise on the fly. I'm no dummy, but I can't think of everything.

    Alot of countries use AK's, because they are durable, cheap, and easy to use. Also, sometime ago, a small developing nation says "yeah sure we'll be Communists", and the former U.S.S.R. would send those rifles to them by the thousands.

    As far as home grown henchmen go, have a contingency plan. Cosmo up a rifle or two, can some ammo, case the cosmolined rifle and bury it or hide it or something would be my idea. Then when they show up to take your guns, you smile, say oh well I got rid of most of them, hard times you know, hand them a cheap pistol or something and insist that you don't have anything else. Then a few days later, go dig up your stuff and laugh at those a-holes.

    Currently I live in a small city. Any excuse to blow this popsicle stand is a good one. In the case of the pooh hitting the fan, I'm outta here. Like I said earlier in this forum, I'm going to the farm as quick as I can. I'll dig in there with my family, and hope for the best.

    I think I covered most of the points that had been brought up thus far. Merry Christmas, and ba hum bug to all!!
  8. Cautious Bob

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    I have to agree with SKI and Cycloneman: 1. Military surplus weapons are by definition going to be tougher, and function better in adverse conditions (like a mosin in 30 below zero weather, or an ak or sks in the mud). 2. "A gun without ammo is a paperweight". One needs a plentiful and continuous supply of ammo. Mil surp ammo for Mosin Nagant and AK/SKS is, at the moment, plentiful and cheap. The mil surp stuff is corrosive; so clean your weapon after shooting. 3. Mosin M91/30 s are available now for $89 from several dealers; Tokarev TT33 pistols (7.62x25) are selling for $199 +. Both are powerful, tough, reliable, relatively inexpensive to purchase, and, at the moment, have ammo supplies both plentiful and cheap. (Also, I.O., Inc. is making AK s in the U.S. now, so maybe American ammo mfgrs will have more incentive to make more 7.62x39).
    My humble opinion is that anyone concerned about the shtf is should buy a Mosin (long rifle or M44 carbine), and several spam cans of 7.62x54R for backup.
    Especially for the prices this stuff is selling for now, there's no reason not to.
  9. killbuck

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    My M1 Garand might be a little heavier than the new rifles but I'll take it any day for something like that if it ever happens. She's sighted in for 200 to 500 yards and I've got lots of rounds and clips for it not to mention the cleaning kit it needs. She's proven herself and I'll put my life in her hands any day.

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  10. Cautious Bob

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    To killbuck: I love my Garand too; (really my favorite gun), and I have sufficient ammo, and supplies for it, and would trust it in combat.
    I'm just saying to get the (really cheap) tough Mosin and surplus ammo as backup in case the really unthinkable happens after the shtf...
    I doubt prices and availability will ever be any better than now.
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  11. Laufer

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    On hindsight, for portability in a car, the Mini 30.
    On foot or bicycle (but no where to go...), the Lee-Enfield "JC".

    Not worried about ammo. For now, 6,500 rds. for the Mini/SKS and 3,000 for the Jungle Carbines will do.
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    Say hello to my little friend.............
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    A rifle you can take ammo from your enemy for, same with a handgun. 223/308-9mm/45acp/40s&w. Thats where your ammo comes from.
    If the SHTF, you better find like-minded individuals to join. Because they aint gonna come at you 1:1. And a Remington 700 will hold up fine.
    I'd rather be in the Plains country than heavy woods. Shoot and scoot, they can't burn the woods down around you.
  14. RickN

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    The most likely SHTF situation at this time is a collapse of the economy and then the most important things will be long term foods and the fewest expenses you can possibly have. In other words pay off everything you can, stock up on all the food you can, then worry about which gun to take.

    While all of the firearms mentioned will do, you better plan on having at least one good 22 and plenty of ammo for it too.

    As for surplus rifles and ammo, there have been some Mauser rifles coming in lately from Brazil I believe in 30.06 that will cover both ruggedness and ammo availability issues.

    I have an old sporterized 03A3 I picked up but my favorite working rifle is my old No4Mk1 and I would not be afraid to carry either if SHTF.
  15. jack404

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    folks , this is looking like ford v's holden ( GM to you folk) debate

    its a case of what you know best

    i like battle rifles but thats what i am used to

    i've a mate never been in the military but knowing the guy and his .308 sporting rifle , i'd be REAL worried going up against him,

    same for some older bloke with thier LE .303's i want them on my side as i know what they can do

    use what you are comfortable and know best

    my personal thought use the weapon of your enemy if your invaded as they'll have resupply and you may not

    if the boots on the other foot use what your side uses

    keeping whatever rifle you have fed and maintianed is way more important than brand,type and hype

    i know what a few good men in a bad spot can do,

    i started with a L1A1 ( FN ) then backwards to a Owen gun and a M79

    then to a M 16 with 203 attachment then to a GPMG M60
    then to a Parker Hale 2000 series,
    then to a styer and along the way used AK47 AK 74's AKM's
    Skorpion even later HK MP5's and MPK's

    all had thier point, good and bad, but when learned and used correctly all got the job done

    folks its the man/woman using the weapon 95% of the time ( Khmer Rougue snipers where mainly women and scarey good eh)

    not the weapon that gets the job done, they all just sit there without a operator......

    so choose what you want based on what you can get/have /supply/afford/ maintain ( read as practical for you)

    and good shooting to all of you, if/when indeed the doo doo does hit the whirly thingamajig

    cheers

    jack
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  16. Big ugly

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    Here Here Jack you are right on the money.
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    As Jack said. "use what you are comfortable with and know best." One rifle, one pistol/revolver, one knife and the knowledge to use them.
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    WELL FOR ME THERE IS ONLY ONE.MY HAND BUILT M-14.IT DIF CAN ROCK AND ROLL AND IT FEELS LIKE A BABY IN MY HANDS. OLD SEMPERFI
  19. islenos

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    invest in a good leather or paracord slingshot, bullets will soon run out but there will always be a abundance of rocks.;)
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