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Discussion in 'Self Defense Tactics & Weapons' started by Logansdad, Jun 2, 2003.
If you could only afford 3. One rifle, shotgun and/or handgun....Which 3 would they be ?
Only three - which would I choose? I would choose the following, primarily because of their manual operation. I have found through experience that a manually operated firearm is easier to clear in a jamming situation than the semi-autos.
Handgun - Ruger, Security Six, Stainless, heavy frame and heavy 4 5/8" barrel.
Rifle - Marlin mod. 336, 30-30 caliber.
Shotgun - Winchester, mod. 1200 pump.
Your Friend in Dixie,
My Colt Government Model, M1A1 and my 870 Rem Pump. If I can't do it with these, they can have me!
Rifle: FN FAL
Shotgun: Winchester M97 Trenchgun.
Rifle - .270 in a reliable bolt action.....I am partial to Browning
Shotgun - Remington 870 in 12 guage
Pistol - .22 LR auto......any reliable brand
With these three I can shoot just about any game animal in N. America.......'cept maybe moose. The 12 guage can also be useful for home defense.
12 guage 870
45 gov model
Rem nylon 66, 22 LR
I would have to say 870 as well, but a used older one
hand gun: 1911 style .357 sig with a full frame and fully ramped barrel
Rifle: IA .338 lapua magnum bolt gun with the mcmillin stock
Handgun .......Beretta 96 FS (.40S&W)
Rifle ......Springfield M1A1 (mil-spec)
Shotgun ......Remington 870
tony have you ever shot a beretta 92 or 96? Or own one already, I would suggest not getting one, the barrel floats bad, but they are still good reliable guns, just not as acurate as they should and could be.
All three are reliable and accurate.
Handgun: 1911A1 5" Barrel;
Rifle: Browning BLR Lightening .30-06;
Shotgun: Remington 870 12 gauge.
skip the shotgun, have 2 pistols instead
you can CARRY a (lw, compact) rifle and 2 (small, lw) pistols, but you can't carry 2 longarms worth a hoot. An AR 15 can be swapped out to a dozen calibers, with different upper receiver groups, to include have a dozen handgun calibers, the .30 AK rd, 300 Whisper, 50AE, and .50 bmg (bolt action top) A .22lr conversion does not require a change of the 223 upper receiver group, just the bolt.
An alloy compact version of the 1911 can likewise fire a dozen calibers, and can even be front pocket accessed (but strapped to the leg sort of holster). A M21 Beretta .22 makes a fine Kit gun for small game, and can be ccw'd, even with a truly effective sound suppressor on it. The Total length of this package is no longer than a Beretta 9mm (ie, 9") The can does need a couple of shots of WD--40 (to reduce corrosion) and a shot of water if you want max effectiveness of the "can", tho.
Yeah, all fine and good suryevor, but the question asked was specific and did not mention or ask for additions/deletions/changes/or options.
Change is good and options and opinions are a dime a dozen, it's just too bad that they do not count for anything when responding to a selectively specific question.
says u. U have no idea who all reads
the stuff, or what they have in mind. The shotgun is essentially a toy, for snobs to fire at birds on the wing. It can't do the job of either the rifle or the pistol, and time and money spent on it is just time and money that can't be spent on the other two, more useful types of guns, nor on the (far more likely to be needed) hand to hand training. You aint even likely to have the longarm when you need it in the home,much less in the (4x as likely) scenario away from home. So why bother to even own a shotgun,much less practice enough to be any good with it, hmm? NO reason, really,other than lame excuses as to why you dont practice enough with handgun and rifle.
Surveyor, your *opinion* is that shotguns are not "worthy" of your consideration. You're neglecting some important considerations, however.
1> A shotgun loaded with birdshot is less likely to penetrate drywall than pistol or rifle rounds, with the exception of some of the newer frangible ammunition. Their stopping power, however, is as yet unproven in real-world situations. The few proven frangible rounds, such as MagSafe and Glaser Safety Slugs act as small-gauge shotguns. Wouldn't more mass delivered downrange be better?
2> A shotgun provides an intimidation factor that a handgun or a rifle does not provide. The scariest sound in the world to a burglar is the sound of a pump-action shotgun chambering a round. This quite often ends the encounter before it becomes deadly.
3> Someone invading your home that comes face-to-face with the bore of a 12ga. has much more fear struck in his/her heart than coming face-to-face with your handgun or rifle.
4> If you have to shoot an intruder with a shotgun, you have a much better defense if you have to go to court over "wrongful death." The prosecuting attorney can and will try to make you out to be a bloodthirsty savage, intent upon killing, no matter what the provocation. If you have a shotgun, you have a better chance of defending yourself by using a "bird gun" than a high-power rifle or a handgun. Especially a handgun loaded with hollow points, which the prosecutor will try to paint as 'vicious ammo, causing horrific wounds' as indication of your bloodthirsty nature.
The objective in home-defense is not to kill the intruder, but to make them stop the intrusion, hopefully by surrendering, so you may turn them over to the authorities. Only if they continue being a threat to you and your family should you kill them. Therefore, rifles and handguns do not have the same value in home defense as a shotgun does.
I agree that there are lots of technical reasons why the shotgun isn't the "ideal" weapon in many cases. However, you're simply spouting opinion, not fact, when you call it a toy. There's some very good reasons why the military STILL, to this day, issues shotguns to many servicemen. Why Gunsite teaches the shotgun for close-quarters tactics. The shotgun has some very serious, definite roles in self-defense.
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