I'm a young buyer looking into buying a decent semi-automatic rifle.

Discussion in 'Large-Bore/Small-Bore Rifle/Shotgun' started by Trevelayan, Oct 31, 2012.

  1. aa1911

    aa1911 Active Member

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    this was exactly what I was going to suggest!

    just go all out, you'll be eating ramen noodles for a while but trust me, there's no better semi in your hand than a good M1A, no matter which grade or barrel. They all shoot great and are inherently both extremely reliable and accurate.

    sure, AR's have come a long way but the M1A is the ultimate IMO for many reasons ;)
  2. pdg929

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    @ka64...i belive you were the first one to offer the garand as an option just sayin lol
  3. LDBennett

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    I have all sorts of semi-auto rifles in my collection of guns and my CMP Garand is a favorite but for home defense it most certainly is not a good choice at all.

    30-06 is a powerful caliber and a Garand weighs about 10 pounds. Getting it up and in a ready state for firing in a small room or in a hall or any other close quarters is tough. Then there is the penetration of the walls problem. The police and court would not take kindly to you killing a neighbor in you attempt to kill an intruder.

    So it comes down to the fact that there is no one gun that will do it all. A revolver in 38/357 would make an excellent home defense gun. An SKS or AK or a Mini-14 would make a good plinking gun for shooting trips. And a Garand or FN-FAL or any bolt gun would make a good hunting gun. But no one gun meets (perfectly) any of the poster requirements.

    The need for a home defense gun is often over rated. Beside the poster can alway pick up a little 38 revolver in the future for home defense since the poster is not even out of the well protected family home yet. No mention was made of hunting only maybe shooting at 300 yds. When hunting becomes a necessity then the poster can buy a good bolt gun. I interpret that the poster wants to do some plinking and target shooting with a rifle bigger than a 22LR. The most gun for the least money is probably a YUGO SKS. It shoots an inexpensive round, is relatively accurate, shoots well out to 200 yds, is relatively compact, is very durable, and is relatively easy to find both from dealers and from private parties for a reasonable price. They are plentiful on the Surplus market with some recent imports.

    I love the Garand but any one worth having in "decent" shape is going to start at $500 and go up from there. There is a high probability at the low end of the market that the barrel will be shot out. Replacing the barrel can be several hundred dollars more. The better Garands run closer to $1000. The CMP Garands are the real bargain but you have to meet a whole set of requirement to buy one including belonging to a CMP affiliated gun club, showing results from some amount of competition shooting, and fill out a stack of papers that need to be notarized. The best you could do is buy a CMP Garand off a private party but most start at over $500.

    To sum it up, the poster needs to limit his needs, plan for the purchase of future guns for specific tasks, and choose a gun like the SKS for now.

    I have all the guns mentioned above (and more) and the YUGO SKS is a good reliable reasonably accurate, inexpensive gun that uses inexpensive ammo that I would recommend for the poster.

    LDBennett
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  4. al45lc

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    Now hold on, are we saying that one cannot learn to shoot accurately or properly with a semi-auto?
    So all those first time Marines aren't being trained properly?
    Think about it.
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    I'll pitch in on this. Go with a SKS. Yugos are pretty good, I have 2 of them. One scoped and the other is stock. When we (family & friends) go to the range, the scoped one is the SKS that gets shot the most. From the younger kids, 10-12, to the women-folk, and everyone else, its a fav to shoot. Easy to take down and clean, ammo is still kinda cheap and can be found everywhere. Overall just a darned fun rifle to shoot!
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    Springfield Armory M1A .308 caliber
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  7. RYANINMICHIGAN

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    Am I the only one that is going to ask? Why is accuracy low on your list of piorities? Who care what it is if you can't hit anything.

    By a pump shot gun for the house rifle is over kill. then save the rest of your money until you can afford a decent ACCURATE rifle
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    there is a difference between a hitting a tack or a plate sized gong. Both can achieve the same end result..one is for "competition" the other is not.
  9. al45lc

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    Different strokes. I for one will NOT tolerate an inaccurate rifle, for me that's a minimum 2" group at 100 yards (which for some isn't accurate enough)for iron sighted and 1" for scoped auto loaders, I have higher expectations for bolt weapons.
    Not to upset anyone, but this is why I don't have an AK style rifle, I didn't find one in the three I tried, and since I already had an HK, I tried a Mini -14 (took some doing to find one of those that was accurate too), found one and then I just moved on and put that money into ammo.
    I think part of the problem is the sights, Nearly all my iron sighted rifles have or have been converted to rear aperture systems, I just don't like blade, leaf or buckhorn rear sights.
    I think the AK sighting system is garbage, it just doesn't work for me. YMMV.
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  10. RYANINMICHIGAN

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    I was taught aim small, miss small. So yes to me it is important that the rifle be more accurate then I am.
  11. gun runner

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    Whats a rifle when its not even accurate, a waste of money
  12. LDBennett

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    I am a shooter and super appreciate really accurate guns but.....

    I also appreciate Winchester/Browning lever guns and have many. I also have a Savage 99 lever gun. Accuracy is not everything for me. I buy guns for looks and some guns just to get a specific caliber. Just shooting for accuracy and not for fun is boring, eventually. I have a large variety of guns that I shoot regularly: vintage, modern, tactical, classics, bolts, pumps, more levers, ex-military from both WW's and other wars, and single shot rifles designed in the 1880's. "Variety is the spice of life". How boring to own one gun or one type gun or one caliber of guns (I reload for over 30 different cartridges). Life is too short to specialize when it comes to guns. But some of them are accurate and I really appreciate that. The rest are accurate enough at shorter ranges. Most all of them shoot better than I can.

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  13. ka64

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    Buy a GARAND.................
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    Gotta agree with LDBennett, most of my guns shoot better than I can.

    In all honesty, as a young shooter find something you will want to shoot and learn more than you know today, have fun and enjoy the gumflapping of (us) greybeards at the range and on this board; we mean well and all have experience and opinions.
    Please post your purchase and advise of your results.
  15. Grizz

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    If you want to get an AK get a Maadi. All my AK's are Maadi. They were made with the same russian equipment the "REAL RUSSIAN AK's" were made with. VERY ACCURATE!!!
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    First of all the original poster has never been back.

    He says he is a big guy and wants a larger round.


    An all around rifle would be Remington semi in 308 at wally world. You can scope it easy if you want to hunt with it. You can get larger mags for it, it doesn't cost much. AK's and black guns are something you get once you have the basics down. My .02 I dont think this guy isn't too serious about talking to us.
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    I think that's fantasic...however, you "missed" my point :) ...regardless, it does not matter. I would be interested in what he decides to get. Hopefully he has not been "runned off".
  18. Albtraum

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    No, but with a bolt action you tend to put MUCH more focus into each individual time you go to squeeze the trigger. Whereas with a semi-auto, you're much more likely to shoot faster and not give as much effort into each shot, because you're ready for the next one, and the next, until you're loading the magazine again.
  19. al45lc

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    Only if your undisciplined, and shooting is a discipline.
    I would point out that not having to move your hand or change your shooting position for each shot is more condusive to learning the skills of shooting as well as muscle memory, so really the idea that a single shot or bolt is better is bogus.
    Even if one maintains cheek weld (difficult for many when actuating the bolt), the shooter must then reaquire hand position and finger mating to the trigger.
    It's about the training itself, not the type of firearm.
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    Yeah I agree with all of that, but being a younger shooter, it's tempting to lose patience and just rapid fire. A bolt action taught me to make every round count. Especially when each round costs a lot more than .22lr. So yeah, I'm just that, undisciplined and not properly trained, without the proper equipment (benchrest, sand bags, etc)
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