I'm very tempted . . .

Discussion in 'Curio & Relics Forum' started by Pistolenschutze, May 2, 2006.

  1. I mentioned on this forum a couple of weeks ago that I had bought and refinished a Swiss Schmidt-Rubin K-31 rifle in 6.5x55 caliber. As most of you I'm sure already know, the S-R is kind of a strange looking weapon by our standards. Instead of a traditonal bolt, like a Mauser or Mosin, the S-R cocks and ejects with a bolt that pulls straight backward; in other words, it is not necessary to lift the bolt then pull to eject a spent round and chamber another. only pull straight backwards on the bolt. Supposedly, it was designed this way to eliminate the need for the shooter to lift his arm in combat and possibly expose himself. In any event, to accomplish this requires some pretty ingenious engineering, a trait for which the Swiss are justifiably noted. The rifle I bought works, if you'll pardon the cliche, "like a Swiss watch," smoothly and efficiently.

    I noted from the beginning, however, that the rifle had one drawback, or actually two depending on one's viewpoint. First, the barrel and action are built like a German Tiger tank (unlike the tinfoil armor on an M-4, Polish :p ), and thus it is heavier than most combat-rifle barrelled actions. This makes for an extremely strong and reliable rifle. Combined with the weight of the wood military stock, however, it's like toting around a sack of #6 lead shot for shotshell reloading. The second problem is more aesthetic: It is, as some have called the B-52 bomber, one gigantic BUFF (Xracer can probably translate that acronym for those unfamiliar with it, but it begins, "Big, Ugly, Fat . . . ;) ). Anyway, what to do to satisfy my aesthetic sense and produce a rifle I will actually take out to the range and shoot often?

    The solution lies with the people at Boyd's Gunstocks. These folks specialize in producing extremely nice but relatively inexpensive wood sporter stocks for old military weapons, along with many modern stocks. If you Cruffle, you really should check out their sight: http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/ Boyd's is the only stock maker who produces a nice walnut stock for the K-31 so far as I know, and it is a beauty. I ordered up one yesterday for the K-31. It is semi-inletted so I will have to do a little work with the old Dremel tool and then refinish it, but that is part of the fun. I'll let y'all know how it turns out and post a few pictures when it is finished.
  2. JohnK3

    JohnK3 New Member

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    Aw, PS! That's not a "BUFF!" That stock is "beaver-chewed!"
  3. inplanotx

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    What you are forgetting here PS is that the rifle was designed to do no more than shoot downhill. They didn't need to worry about coming uphill. And I thought that yours was like mine in 7.5x55? I thought the Swede was in 6.5x55. :p :p :p :D :D :D :D ;)
  4. MRMIKE08075

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    GRAFS sells a DIOPTER rear and GLOBE front match target sight set (INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC style)...

    GRAFS sells a repro of the original offset SNIPER scope mount...

    GRAFS used to offer a laminate thumbhole stock...

    NUMRICH offers a walnut stock set...

    both offer replacement / spare magazines...

    SPORTSMANS GUIDE offers some accsesories...

    i own 3 K31`s...

    all are TACK DRIVERS

    all 2 are MOA or better with issue battle sights out to 250 yds...

    bayonets are available but expect to spend $75.00-$125.00 for a last issue standard model...

    SAWBACK PIONEER bayonets are realy expensive...

    you will need to check under your buttplate for a possible surprise...

    7.5X55 SWISS

    surplus match grade target ammo is cheap and plentiful...

    HORNADY makes nice ammo as well...

    good gun.

    best regards, mike.
  5. Oops! My typing skills would not qualify me for a high-paying secretary's job, nor my proofreading skills either, or so it would seem. You are, of course, quite correct, Plano, it is indeed chambered for the 7.5x55. I must make a note: "Engage brain before engaging fingers." :D
  6. JohnK3

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    I've got one of those St. Marie Graphics Diopter sets from Grafs. NICE!
  7. polishshooter

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    I can probably reload and make more noise quicker than you with my M95 Styer! ( I doubt I could HIT better than you though, it's tough to shoot a group when you are aiming like 3 feet LOW at 100 with it.... :) :p )

    I've always LOVED the straight-pull, and can't figure why more weren't made...except MAYBE the Ross and the 6mm Navy Lee were such PIGS nobody in the "New World" wanted anything to do with it??? :cool:

    Or else because JMB never designed one??? :D
  8. Actually, Polish, the action on that K-31 is so clever I'm surprised ol' John Moses didn't design something like it. It looks wierd to us because we are so used to the traditional bolt action, but it does make sense nonetheless, at least as a combat weapon. I'm looking forward to seeing how it looks and functions in a sporter-type stock.
  9. MRMIKE08075

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    HEY!!!

    i own a M1905 ROSS straight pull .303 (US PROPERTY marked / ORD bomb and SCREAMING EAGLE head proofed US MARTIAL ARM)...

    i own a LEE-NAVY straight pull .236 USN (saw use in the BOXER REBELLION)...

    both are tack drivers, both won tons of trophies in compatition...

    the ROSS M1910 was a dog, and could be reassembled incoorectly causing a catastrophic and fatal failure in the bolt lock up...

    but the 1905 ROSS is a sweatheart...

    are we repeating stories from the past or speaking from actual experiance???

    i would take both guns into battle with no hesitation.

    best regards, mike.
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  10. polishshooter

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    No, MrMike I admit no actual firing experience with either, beisdes handling them at shows, and handling one overpriced pieces missing and rusty Ross at the Flea market in Friendship. And I KNOW, I'm ALWAYS the first to yell at somebody who repeats as fact JUST what he read in only a COUPLE of sources.... ;) Sorry!

    But somehow a weapon that could be reassembled wrong and still be fired with a chance of blowing doesn't seem to be a good choice to hand to a newly recruited soldier or a tired, cold, wet, and hungry Tommy in the mud of the trenches at night...

    As far as the Lee goes, yeah it did the job with the Peking Legation Defense, and relief, but even back then there was grumblings from the USMC that they were getting the Navy's "crap..." and they didn't like the "small" round either...plus ANY weapon the Marines have is going to function if they have anything to do with it, (except maybe the Reising...) and it DID screw up the ammo supply...

    HEY! The KRAG actually sucked as a combat weapon, but it did it's job, and my wife's grandpas was GREAT to shoot and killed a lot of deer in his lifetime too, and I wish I HAD it....


    But in reality the ONLY straight pul with "extensive" combat use in two world wars was the M95....
  11. MRMIKE08075

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    OK...

    there were severe "teething" problems with the ROSS MODEL 1905...

    ammo not made to very tight specs would not feed and extract with ease in the early models...

    ammo that had been stored under dubious conditions (heat, humidity, etc...) or made to looser specs by foriegn contractors also was problimatic...

    this was fixed by enlarging the chamber / rifles marked "LC" on the BBL-rec connection have been so modified...

    the locking system on the later ROSS MODEL 1910 was an interuppted thread design that could be assembled incorrectly, but the 1905 did not have that problem...

    the multi-adjustable micrometer peep sights on the ROSS are perhaps a bit overwhelming for a new conscript to use in warfare, but i find them delightful...

    the gun will outshoot the `03 and the KRAG easily...

    its an odd duck that takes some getting used to.

    the .236 USN LEE-NAVY is a sweet piece...

    the "complaints" said to have been made by the USMC are more correctly labeled as normal soldiers grumbling than serious historical commentary...

    the high velocity, small bore, new fangled cartridge had amazing performance #`s, but "new" is sometimes seen as "bad" initialy...

    very slick action, high degree of accuracy, good balance, etc...

    i would prefer the LEE to the ROSS as a combat arm, but the ROSS is a better match gun...

    then again, the K31 is better than both in my experiance and estimation.

    open to questions.

    best regards, mike.
  12. LDBennett

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    I have a K-31 too, but I do not look at it expecting to see a thing of beauty. I see a piece of European history that I can use. It so happens that it shoots well too. I have more modern guns that are things of beauty.

    Modify it? Never!

    Re-finish it? Never! That would reduce the evidence of history.

    Have all you K-31 owners removed the butt plate to find the paper that tells to whom it was originally assigned? Some people have even attempted to contact the original owners with some success. That's history!

    LDBennett
  13. Generally, I agree with you LD, which is why I have been exceedingly careful to do no permanent modifications of the K-31. When I am finished, the original stock will still be entirely intact as will all of the original hardware and those parts will be very carefully stored away. I can change the rifle back from nice looking sporter to full military configuration in less than 10 minutes. As as matter of fact, I did find the owner's note with the gun behind the butt plate. That piece of history will always stay with with weapon.
  14. polishshooter

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    The Only REAL problem I have with the Swiss stuff, is pretty much the same problem with the Swedish Mauser...NIETHER of them were actually tried in the "crucible" of actual warfare...OK, I'll give you the Swede, SOME of them saw action with the Finns against the Russians, but then again, Simo Haya used that "presentation" one for a few of his kills, but then went back to the Mosin because it was 'More accurate and harder hitting..."

    IS the K-31 REALLY a significant contributer to Military History? NOT to denigrate it, I LIKE it, and it IS beautiful, BUT...


    I can't HELP but wonder if "Like a Swiss watch" is NOT something you would want in a REAL military rifle.

    Now OTHER Swiss designs were READILY made, copied and used by other countries, noteably the Oerlikon (Or was it the Bofors? :) I forget...but then again this applies to the SWEDES too...) We also saw MANY Solothern designs as well, used by BOTH sides. As well as some Lahti AT guns, etc....

    Why NOT a Swiss straught pull RIFLE???


    Just a thought...
  15. Polish, at least the Swiss, the Mauser 98, the American Springfield, and the British Enfield had one thing that made them far superior to the Russian bolt actions (91/30, 38, and 44): A safety system that wasn't designed by a drunk peasant with a death wish! I have never seen a poorer safety on any rifle. I'm beginning to suspect it wasn't the Germans who caused so many Russian casualties, it was the Russians shooting each other in the butt! :D
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